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KK vs turn donk...
Absolutely zero reads:
Paradise Poker 1/2 Hold'em (8 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls. Flop: (8 SB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls. Turn: (5.50 BB) 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, Hero ...? |
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Re: KK vs turn donk...
I fold.
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Re: KK vs turn donk...
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I fold. [/ QUOTE ] I would usually fold this as well. Why do we not want to give credit to an unknown UTG for an A or better here when he bets into 2 players on the expensive street? Especially at 1/2? |
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Re: KK vs turn donk...
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[ QUOTE ] I fold. [/ QUOTE ] I would usually fold this as well. Why do we not want to give credit to an unknown UTG for an A or better here when he bets into 2 players on the expensive street? Especially at 1/2? [/ QUOTE ] I misread the action. A fold wouldn't be terrible, but I ilke raising as the last money I put into the pot as some posters already suggested better. |
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Re: KK vs turn donk...
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I misread the action. A fold wouldn't be terrible, but I ilke raising as the last money I put into the pot as some posters already suggested better. [/ QUOTE ] I raise this against aggressive players but with no read I usually fold (maybe I played too much PokerStars). What range of hands is everyone thinking UTG is betting here? Flush draw? 7+flush draw? Flush draw + gs? Total bluff? |
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Re: KK vs turn donk...
My initial thought was that it was 4-ways on the turn and one player yet to act, ie he donked into 2 players. In this case I think it's a fold because the donk have to realise that he have zero folding equity when betting and the risk we're up against an A is greater against 4 players.
But in this situation I think he'll be bluffing or betting an inferior holding/draw at least 25% which is enough for us to raise for a free sd. And this is most certainly a peculiar bet: "A peculiar bet is likely to some from either a bluff or a really strong hand." - Sklansky EDIT: I'm not sure that quote is 100% correct, but he has said something like that... [img]/images/graemlins/smirk.gif[/img] |
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Re: KK vs turn donk...
Calldown HU. Raise here as we have a 3rd player to worry about who could very well have 5 outs. If the board were AJ33 or something I would just calldown here as well.
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Re: KK vs turn donk...
What can we expect to see the donk bettor holding?
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Re: KK vs turn donk...
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What can we expect to see the donk bettor holding? [/ QUOTE ] I have a hard time imagining he has anything other than an Ax hand here. If the flop had been a dud against my preflop raise, I could see him donkbetting any piece perhaps figuring the flop might've missed me. |
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Re: KK vs turn donk...
I call down and make a note of what he has and how he played it. I want to put him on a weak A, a likely aces up. A stronger A probably would have check-raised you.
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