I Slowplayed

MaxPower · #1 03-31-2004, 03:32 PM

I don't slowplay much anymore, but here is one I did. Any comments?

Party Poker 3/6 Hold'em (10 handed) converter

Preflop: MaxPower is MP2 with 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, UTG+1 raises, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls, MaxPower calls, MP3 folds, CO folds, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (10.33 SB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 raises, MaxPower calls, BB folds, UTG calls, UTG+1 3-bets, MP1 calls, MaxPower calls, UTG calls.

Turn: (11.16 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
UTG checks, UTG+1 bets, MP1 calls, MaxPower raises, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, MP1 calls.

River: (17.16 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
UTG+1 bets, MP1 folds, MaxPower raises, UTG+1 calls.

Final Pot: 21.16 BB
Main Pot: 21.16 BB, between UTG+1 and MaxPower.

Joe Tall · #2 03-31-2004, 03:57 PM

You should be playing this hand this way. Other than maybe capping when it comes back on the flop, I think there is no better way to play it.

Nice hand,
Joe Tall

Catch of the Day · #3 03-31-2004, 04:09 PM

I would be mucking 77 for 2 bets PF in MP2 from an EP raiser...

That maybe not be right as I have heard the argument for the value of PP's but I thought that this is a pretty cut and dry fold.

Why isn't it?

Catch-

Dylan Wade · #4 03-31-2004, 04:16 PM

I think if the table were as typically as tight as it appears to be.... folding might be the best choice (Esp if UTG limp and UTG+1 raise has significant meaning). However, there are many players behind here, and it's likely Max was anticipating loose calls in a few more spots. We are at Party, after all.

Ralph Wiggum · #5 03-31-2004, 04:19 PM

So then how many callers do you need to justify this call? I also thought that mucking this hand was pretty standard, since you need to make back like 10-12 times your PF investment.

Nottom · #6 03-31-2004, 04:28 PM

You have a limper, the raiser, and a cold-caller already. Cold-callers tend to create more cold-callers so there is a good chance you get one or 2 more people in the pot in your average game. With all those players in the pot you shouldn't have too much trouble making up the needed bets post flop if you catch a 7.

I think the call here is fine.

Dylan Wade · #7 03-31-2004, 04:47 PM

Implied odds my friend. The advantage of loose callers here isn't so much their contribution to the pot Pre-flop, but also the big bets they will put in on the later streets. Let's not forget that 77 has a lot more equity here than 10% if UTG,UTG+1 can be put on a wide range of hands. Consider the flops where there are no paint cards, 77 will also often have high value here...

Now if we're looking at two tight limpers and a bunch of tight players behind, the call isn't as pretty. In that situation our 77 might be dominated, killing our pot equity... and we can't count on loose implied odds.

But we're playing Small stakes Party poker after all, and 77 if we give our opponents too much credit, we'll be leaving money at the table..

biggambler · #8 03-31-2004, 04:11 PM

1. He calls two bets before the flop with only a pair of 7s, when their are still 5 players behind him that could raise again?
2. The flop comes with a 7 and unco-ordinated. There are 13 bets in the pot at this point.
This hand reminds me of so many players slow playing and then crying when one of his opponents winds up with a pair of kings or jacks in their hand.
Therefore, 3 bet, get as many of them out of this pot as you can.

Ralph Wiggum · #9 03-31-2004, 04:17 PM

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Therefore, 3 bet, get as many of them out of this pot as you can.

[/ QUOTE ] Why would you want that? I'd want people to pay up, since they're most likely drawing dead. A 3-bet scares them away, and clues everyone in that you're holding a set. I think he played this great, and the only other I might have done is to cap the flop the final time it came around.

bdk3clash · #10 03-31-2004, 05:25 PM

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This hand reminds me of so many players slow playing and then crying when one of his opponents winds up with a pair of kings or jacks in their hand.
Therefore, 3 bet, get as many of them out of this pot as you can.

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Right, because, like, a 3-bet here is somehow going to magically make overpairs like KK and JJ fold...

They've got two outs (maybe). Let 'em stick around for the turn. If they hit a higher set, they hit a higher set. There's nothing you can do to make them fold this flop.