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(LC) Plauged by a play I don\'t understand....
I've been seeing this all the time lately...Can someone explain this to me?
(No sarcasm - I actually want to know the thought process behind it...IF there is one...) PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t600 (3 handed) converter Button (t4045) SB (t4380) Hero (t6575) Preflop: Hero is BB with A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t1800</font>, SB calls t1200. Flop: (t3400) 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets t1800</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t2530</font>, Hero calls t730. ================ I *KNOW* the guy outplayed me with his paired King-in-the-hole POST-flop... ...felt priced into calling his all-in... (Should I fold there?..) I only ever will make this play against a villain who I think will check/fold the flop *IF* he calls the raise PF and *IF* he doesn't pair. I know that I get aggressive late in tourneys and the guy thinks to double up if he hits...but he loses half his stack when he doesn't... So.... 1/3 of the time he doubles up... 2/3 of the time he loses half his stack... In all honesty - I want to know what these fish/weak-tight players are thinking. Edit: I'm gonna start check/folding King high flops in these spots. |
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Re: (LC) Plauged by a play I don\'t understand....
Your completion/no raise was shouting weakness to him. Hate to say this, but he outplayed you preflop too.
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Re: (LC) Plauged by a play I don\'t understand....
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Your completion/no raise was shouting weakness to him. Hate to say this, but he outplayed you preflop too. [/ QUOTE ] Re-read post please. You got it backwards. His completion/no raise shouted weakness to ME. |
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Re: (LC) Plauged by a play I don\'t understand....
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[ QUOTE ] Your completion/no raise was shouting weakness to him. Hate to say this, but he outplayed you preflop too. [/ QUOTE ] Re-read post please. You got it backwards. His completion/no raise shouted weakness to ME. [/ QUOTE ] if you thought his actions shouted weakness, why not push? if you think you are ahead, get ur chips in ahead. instead, you waited until you were behind?? |
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Re: (LC) Plauged by a play I don\'t understand....
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Your completion/no raise was shouting weakness to him. Hate to say this, but he outplayed you preflop too. [/ QUOTE ] Re-read post please. You got it backwards. His completion/no raise shouted weakness to ME. [/ QUOTE ] if you thought his actions shouted weakness, why not push? if you think you are ahead, get ur chips in ahead. instead, you waited until you were behind?? [/ QUOTE ] Well heres my thinking.... Ace high is best pre-flop at least 80% (if not more like 95%) of time here in my experience (where I play anyways.) I figure by raising half his stack I'm sending the message - we're playing for all your chips or for nothing... Instead I keep getting flat called in this spot...and I'm totally lost as to what the hell they have now...pretty sure I still got the best hand and all...but the flop play becomes an extremely tough spot... So I definitely see the reasoning behind all-in'ing it pre=flop. If they want to call with a hand I'm ahead of - God bless him. If they trapped me - that happens too sometimes. |
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Re: (LC) Plauged by a play I don\'t understand....
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Your completion/no raise was shouting weakness to him. Hate to say this, but he outplayed you preflop too. [/ QUOTE ] So you think Hero is actually the SB and not the BB? I don't have a response for the hand tho. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] I'da checked behind a 'spect. |
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Re: (LC) Plauged by a play I don\'t understand....
The big blind is t600, he has 4000 behind, if your going to raise him, put him all in.
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Re: (LC) Plauged by a play I don\'t understand....
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The big blind is t600, he has 4000 behind, if your going to raise him, put him all in. [/ QUOTE ] that could easily be the real lesson here.... Incidently I've done the same move deeper stacked w/re-raises (and better Aces) and still gotten called from King highs before.. no comments on the even possible fishie thinking? |
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Re: (LC) Plauged by a play I don\'t understand....
well, reraising someone is different than what your doing here.
His limp says that he wants to see a flop as cheap as possible (or he is trapping with AK,AA-QQ), by pushing your making it as expensive as possible. Obviously he doesn't want this and will fold. In my limited use of this play the SB has folded about 80% of the time. |
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Re: (LC) Plauged by a play I don\'t understand....
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[ QUOTE ] Your completion/no raise was shouting weakness to him. Hate to say this, but he outplayed you preflop too. [/ QUOTE ] So you think Hero is actually the SB and not the BB? I don't have a response for the hand tho. [img]/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] I'da checked behind a 'spect. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, so umm... I'm a jackass, I clearly misplayed this post. To OP, you weren't outplayed preflop, but I would've either checked behind and c/f the flop or put him all in preflop. |
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