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02-27-2005, 05:12 PM
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AJs, party 5/10
Reads for the hand: SB is TAG, 20/12 over 300 hands or so. The other two are total idiots, very loose, fairly passive, but will sometimes bet for no reason.
Party Poker 5/10 Hold'em (6 max, 6 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is Button with J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, MP calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero caps</font>, SB calls, BB calls, MP calls. Flop: (16 SB) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks. Turn: (8 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">MP bets</font>, Hero calls, SB calls, BB calls. River: (12 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> SB checks, BB checks, MP checks, Hero checks. Final Pot: 12 BB I'm questioning my play on all streets, have at it. 
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#3
02-27-2005, 05:52 PM
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Re: AJs, party 5/10
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Seems like a good spot to raise the turn and knock out JJ, TT, AQ or whatever the SB has and the BB as well. Hopefully the MP player is on a draw and you can just check behind on the river. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, I think that would have been the best course of action. If an A comes on the river, what do you do?
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#6
02-27-2005, 11:54 PM
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Re: AJs, party 5/10
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Please explain why raising it on the turn is preferable to folding? [/ QUOTE ] Because a raise here after the preflop action will look like a total monster to many players and is very likely to get you heads up with the clown who is betting. The pot is big, you probably have 7 outs even when behind, and against this opponent you are likely ahead a fair amount of the time.
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#8
02-27-2005, 08:00 PM
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Re: AJs, party 5/10
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Do you really think MP is betting his draw here enough to make a turn raise profitable? That board and the 4 people in the pot make this seem like a bad spot to bet a draw hoping to win it there. [/ QUOTE ] Our read is that MP is a lunatic who will bet for no good reason and SB is a TAG who 3-bet a non-steal raise preflop and has now started checking. SB is scared or slowplaying, and a double slowplay is rare, so we can put him on a missed hand like AJ or an underpair. A raise will get rid of him, who is probably beating us or at least tied with us, and MP could have anything or nothing, so on balance a raise is probably okay against his hand too. Balance all this against the pot odds and a raise looks very attractive. Guy.
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#9
02-27-2005, 09:26 PM
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Re: AJs, party 5/10
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Our read is that MP is a lunatic who will bet for no good reason and SB is a TAG who 3-bet a non-steal raise preflop and has now started checking. SB is scared or slowplaying, and a double slowplay is rare, so we can put him on a missed hand like AJ or an underpair. A raise will get rid of him, who is probably beating us or at least tied with us, and MP could have anything or nothing, so on balance a raise is probably okay against his hand too. Balance all this against the pot odds and a raise looks very attractive. Guy. [/ QUOTE ] Exactly. I screwed this up pretty badly.
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#10
02-27-2005, 10:20 PM
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Re: AJs, party 5/10
I'm still not sure I buy into this completely yet... how do you intend on winning the hand, even if you raise? I assume not by winning a showdown. But do you really think you can get the entire field out by then? Or hit your ten or ace (but not of clubs)?
I'm still not convinced that this is not a "I missed and the board is scary" folding situation.
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