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I was fairly certain that MP1 and CO were going to call the raise (and not reraise), so I figured I had implied odds to call preflop. I also think that the turn is an easy call. The river, on the other hand, I'm not certain what the best action is. I felt that the CO was the strongest player on the table.
No-limit Texas Hold'em $5+$.50 (real money), hand #895,198,925 San Diego Single Table Tournament, 11 May 2005 08:55 PM Seat 2: UTG ($1,005 in chips) Seat 3: MP1 ($1,910 in chips) Seat 4: MP2 ($985 in chips) Seat 5: CO ($1,850 in chips) Seat 7: Button ($4,680 in chips) Seat 8: SB ($3,300 in chips) Seat 10: Hero [7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]] ($1,270 in chips) ANTES/BLINDS SB posts blind ($15), Hero posts blind ($30). PRE-FLOP 1 fold, MP1 calls $30, 1 fold, CO calls $30, Button bets $100, 1 fold, Hero calls $70, MP1 calls $70, CO calls $70. FLOP [board cards Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ] (Pot: $415) Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO checks, Button checks. TURN [board cards Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] ] (Pot: $415) Hero checks, MP1 checks, CO bets $60, Button folds, Hero calls $60, MP1 folds. RIVER [board cards Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img],3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img],10[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img],7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] ] (Pot: $535) Hero .... |
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I like a check raise here to induce the bluff (if he is an aggressive player). If he had the flush draw he would have bet the flop. Let him think his AT is good, or that he can shake you off the hand with his missed KJ straight draw.
FWIW, I would have raised or folded on the turn, not check/called it. |
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I like a check raise here to induce the bluff (if he is an aggressive player). If he had the flush draw he would have bet the flop. Let him think his AT is good, or that he can shake you off the hand with his missed KJ straight draw. FWIW, I would have raised or folded on the turn, not check/called it. [/ QUOTE ] I just don't agree with a check raise. Only thing villan calls with a check raise is a straight or a flush which both beat you. Not everyone bets flops with flush draws and the $60 bet on the turn could be a blocking bet to try and get a cheap card. Check/Call the river, it's a nice sized pot and you would be happy to take down a $600 pot. If you have him beat he is not going to call a large check raise anyway to make it worth the risk and against solid players you are asking for someone to come over the top of you with a bluff which makes for a truly difficult decision. You can only make this play if you have a dead on read of said player. I just don't think you can make that at this point, some people play their draws very meek. |
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Check/Call the river, it's a nice sized pot and you would be happy to take down a $600 pot. If you have him beat he is not going to call a large check raise anyway to make it worth the risk and against solid players you are asking for someone to come over the top of you with a bluff which makes for a truly difficult decision. [/ QUOTE ] Its not a difficult decision. You c/r for value. He pays you off with his pair. I don't see how any hand that beats you rationally takes this line, except for maybe TT. Given the percentage of times that the villain here has a better hand that busts you vs. how much prize equity you can earn from a c/r here I still do it. |
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This is the problem with your thinking here Tilt is that bad players don't play hands rationally.
What could villan have that he is going to pay you off on? It's a $500 dollar pot and he checked the flop and only bet 60 on the turn. Obviously if he thought he had a strong hand don't you think he would be protecting against the flush and straight draws? What could he possibly have that he is going to A bet on this river, B call a check raise on this river (not much)... Many people with a flush draw would be hesitant to bluff at this pot because of the potsize. If they bet it and someone has a Q they are getting check-raised all in. A sneaky might throw out a jab bet on the turn to confuse someone holding a 10 or lower pocket pair to refute them from making it expensive to see the river card so they can make their flush. Your saying check raise an aggressive player, wouldn't have an aggressive player already made a move on this pot already? |
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I like a check raise here to induce the bluff (if he is an aggressive player) [/ QUOTE ] I don't like this at all. [ QUOTE ] If he had the flush draw he would have bet the flop [/ QUOTE ] really? I think alot of people check hoping to get a free card. esp. in late pos. I think you check/fold the river. I agree that raising on the flop to see where you are is a good idea but since you didn't and DON'T know where you are...check/fold [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Don't be seduced by a pretty hand. |
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I think you check/fold the river.
[/ QUOTE ] Huh? Maybe I misread the hh or something, but it looks like hero finally made his hand here. The only way you fold this is if you're positive he has a flush, J9, or overset. You have to bet this for value, and can fold to a big raise. |
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[ QUOTE ] I like a check raise here to induce the bluff (if he is an aggressive player) [/ QUOTE ] I don't like this at all. [ QUOTE ] If he had the flush draw he would have bet the flop [/ QUOTE ] really? I think alot of people check hoping to get a free card. esp. in late pos. I think you check/fold the river. I agree that raising on the flop to see where you are is a good idea but since you didn't and DON'T know where you are...check/fold [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img] Don't be seduced by a pretty hand. [/ QUOTE ] This is the terrible weak tight thinking. Villain raises preflop. Flops a flush draw, and its checked around to him. Lets say you know he is an aggressive player. You think he would not make a continuation bet on that flop????? But then waits until the turn to make a semi-bluff????? And so if you are not afraid of the flush, what possible hand takes villains line that you are afraid of at the river? TT? Maybe, but if so you lose some chips on this hand. Play generally like a scared rabbit, however, and you will lose many bankrolls. |
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I don't get how the river is the hardest part to play here. You only saw the turn because it checked around, and you should have folded here.
Bet out the river. I think there's only a tiny chance he'll call, but I think it's better than the chance of him betting for you. |
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For one thing, I would have bet the turn. At the 5.50 level this guy could be slow-playing a Q, scared of the flush draw. You'd have a lot better idea with a 100 bet. You might take it right there. With a Q or flush draw at this level, and maybe with a T, he'll probably just call and not raise. If he raises you have a decision to make. He might have hit his set.
The river is tough. If you'd bet on the turn and he called, I'd think about checking hoping to raise, but then he could feasibly check it down with his pair after your turn bet. I think here I would probably put out a 200 bet and, you know, only get called if I'm losing, right? Then again, this is a 5.50. So I might even call a raise here. Please tell me if these thoughts are wacky in any way. Edit: And of course I looked over it so quickly I didn't even see the straight. I think with J9 he bets bigger on the turn, so I still like betting the turn to see where you stand, but then I tend to throw money away. |
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