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Old 11-02-2005, 02:37 PM
bjb23 bjb23 is offline
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Default $55: Blind war with QJs

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t150 (5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

MP (t1220)
Button (t2485)
SB (t1540)
Hero (t1855)
UTG (t2900)

Preflop: Hero is BB with Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t300</font>, Hero ???

so the villian in this story has been pretty tricky, often limping and getting involved in a lot of pots. he has made a lot of probe bets in multiway pots to take them down without a fight. the guy seemed to like to gamble, a hand that stuck out in my mind is that he called a standard raise from utg who was the ultimate rock when he had kt and got the money in on a AKx flop.

he probably views me as ubertighty as i have only shown down qq and taken a few pots without showing my cards.

last hand when it was folded to him in the sb he min raised and i folded.

question: does anyone push this back in his face with qjs? i couldnt see folding as much of an option... i probably did the worst thing and decided to call since the stacks were sorta weird and i wasnt desperate.

thoughts?
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Old 11-02-2005, 02:52 PM
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pushing &gt; calling &gt; folding IMO
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:01 PM
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pushing &gt; calling &gt; folding IMO

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There is no way I would push this. It seems like everytime I'm in a position exactly like OP described, SB wakes up with AK. I hate this stupid game.
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:03 PM
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I'm just folding this one, no need to get involved here.
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:11 PM
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Default Re: $55: Blind war with QJs

even if he min raised last opportunity he had? are you just folding b/c hero has a decent amount of chips at the moment?

im so sick of min raises, i swear they will be the end of me.
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:19 PM
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even if he min raised last opportunity he had? are you just folding b/c hero has a decent amount of chips at the moment?

im so sick of min raises, i swear they will be the end of me.

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It's just donks hitting the raise button. Don't worry about it. You have no obligation to call, and it just gives you the option to get in cheaper every now and then.
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:24 PM
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Default Re: $55: Blind war with QJs

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pushing &gt; calling &gt; folding IMO

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Think about this
your going to let him min raise all of your sbs for the rest of the tounry. What happenes when there at 100/200 and you have 1000 chips and he min raises you have 59 in the bb?
The thing is his min raise range here is huge but his call range is probably tiny...AJ+, 99+ maybe KQ. Repush for sure
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Old 11-02-2005, 03:26 PM
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Default Re: $55: Blind war with QJs

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pushing &gt; calling &gt; folding IMO

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Think about this
your going to let him min raise all of your sbs for the rest of the tounry. What happenes when there at 100/200 and you have 1000 chips and he min raises you have 59 in the bb?
The thing is his min raise range here is huge but his call range is probably tiny...AJ+, 99+ maybe KQ. Repush for sure

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OP says he's a gambler... and he's getting low on chips... he could very well be calling with much wider than that.

Also, if what I do now encourages him to raise his crap later, that's fine, cause I'm popping him back later when the blinds are higher. Right now, it's just not worth it to me.
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Old 11-03-2005, 01:46 PM
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Default Re: $55: Blind war with QJs

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pushing &gt; calling &gt; folding IMO

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Think about this
your going to let him min raise all of your sbs for the rest of the tounry. What happenes when there at 100/200 and you have 1000 chips and he min raises you have 59 in the bb?
The thing is his min raise range here is huge but his call range is probably tiny...AJ+, 99+ maybe KQ. Repush for sure

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OP says he's a gambler... and he's getting low on chips... he could very well be calling with much wider than that.

Also, if what I do now encourages him to raise his crap later, that's fine, cause I'm popping him back later when the blinds are higher. Right now, it's just not worth it to me.

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I lean towards folding, just for this reason. When the blinds are higher, and that min-raise is for more chips and more of his stack, there's a chance I will be able to punish him then with a better hand. Maybe I'll call here, to see and flop, but if I miss, I'm gone. I don't like pushing this over the top here, just because you're behind to a lot of hands that he could be raising with.

But I probably fold here, the 150 I lose doesn't hurt my stack that much, I'll wait for a better time and a better hand. Each time you let him do this, his range of hands gets looser, and the blinds get bigger, there'll be a better time to make a stand against this guy.
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Old 11-03-2005, 08:12 PM
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Default Re: $55: Blind war with QJs

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pushing &gt; calling &gt; folding IMO

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Think about this
your going to let him min raise all of your sbs for the rest of the tounry. What happenes when there at 100/200 and you have 1000 chips and he min raises you have 59 in the bb?
The thing is his min raise range here is huge but his call range is probably tiny...AJ+, 99+ maybe KQ. Repush for sure

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OP says he's a gambler... and he's getting low on chips... he could very well be calling with much wider than that.

Also, if what I do now encourages him to raise his crap later, that's fine, cause I'm popping him back later when the blinds are higher. Right now, it's just not worth it to me.

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I lean towards folding, just for this reason. When the blinds are higher, and that min-raise is for more chips and more of his stack, there's a chance I will be able to punish him then with a better hand.

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i think this might be a bit optimistic. i should fold this and wait for another time when the blinds are bigger AND everyone folds to him AND i somehow have to find a better hand than QJs to make a move with (AND if i dont have a good hand the chip stacks have to be such that i have some sort of fe to make a move)?
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