$109s - AT Hand

[Unarmed]

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

BB (t1000)
UTG (t1000)
UTG+1 (t1000)
UTG+2 (t1000)
Hero (t1000)
MP2 (t1000)
MP3 (t1000)
CO (t1000)
Button (t970)
SB (t1030)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls t15, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: (t75) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets t75</font>, UTG calls t75, Hero ?

[theordinaryboy]

i fold this.

Mainly because the pot is going to be big on the turn and hero has a vulnerable hand.

If for example, hero is actually ahead here, then any diamond, J,Q,K,6 scares hero. However, hero might not be ahead. BB could easily have a BB special T7, 75, T5. UTG's call probably represents a draw but could be an overpair or a set (altho utg is more likely to have raised here).

I believe this early on in the tourney this hand is too risky and vulnerable especially considering that the size of the pot will be 300 on the turn, if a brick comes bb bets 200 and utg and hero calls then the pot is 900 on the river if another brick comes then hero could well end up all-in.

The only other play i like is to raise on the flop, however, if hero gets called and one of those scare cards comes then hero has a tough decision to make.

I'd play it safe and fold.

[yid3655]

Unarmed why did you limp this? For me its a cert fold (im a $30 player), in a multiway pot i dont like this hand especially early on, if you hit the ace or ten (as happened) your in a tricky situation v early on with no reads and very little in the pot thats worth fighting for.

[Unarmed]

Oops, sorry guys. No PF debate please. I limp tons of stuff level 1 because my implied odds (yes even with AT) are huge, I'm able to get away relatively cheaply with second best hands, and I can often take the pot down without having much of anything.

But honestly, I just like to see flops. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

[yid3655]

Nice one ta

[45suited]

I'd give this one up. This seems like a classic situation where you're either a bit ahead or way behind.

Unraised pot, level 1... I ain't going broke here and it costs too much to raise to see where you're at. BB could have any random two pair, straight draw, flush draw, etc. Plus, UTG's flat call concerns me. Between the two of them, one of them probably has a good draw, the other may already have you beat.

I don't mind limping AT here in a 1000 chip game so long as I'm able to get away from a flop like this. I'd fold.

[bennies]

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I'd give this one up. This seems like a classic situation where you're either a bit ahead or way behind.

Unraised pot, level 1... I ain't going broke here and it costs too much to raise to see where you're at. BB could have any random two pair, straight draw, flush draw, etc. Plus, UTG's flat call concerns me. Between the two of them, one of them probably has a good draw, the other may already have you beat.

I don't mind limping AT here in a 1000 chip game so long as I'm able to get away from a flop like this. I'd fold.

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[Nick B.]

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I'd give this one up. This seems like a classic situation where you're either a bit ahead or way behind.

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That is completely wrong. What if bb has KT-JT, do you not consider that way ahead. WA/WB is something like KK on an AAXr board, where your opponent has 2 outs, or you have 2 outs.

In this hand, I would raise and think that I am ahead. I doubt bb potted with 2pr or a set, and I am sure he would raise JJ-AA pf. I think your hand is too vurnerable to wait until the turn and I think a raise here would pick up the pot.

[45suited]

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That is completely wrong. What if bb has KT-JT, do you not consider that way ahead.

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You're not up against just one opponent, you're up against two. One has made a pot sized bet, the other has called it. No offense but I think that it's kind of ridiculous to say that I am "completely wrong". Between the two of them, it's likely that one has a good draw, the other has a made hand. You MAY be currently ahead of the made hand, you may not be. There are also a gazillion cards that might hurt you on the turn, but only 5 cards that will strengthen your hand.

To hope that the best hand that is out there is KT-JT and then to get sucked into this hand further seems like wishful thinking to me.

[Daliman]

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I'd give this one up. This seems like a classic situation where you're either a bit ahead or way behind.

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That is completely wrong. What if bb has KT-JT, do you not consider that way ahead. WA/WB is something like KK on an AAXr board, where your opponent has 2 outs, or you have 2 outs.

In this hand, I would raise and think that I am ahead. I doubt bb potted with 2pr or a set, and I am sure he would raise JJ-AA pf. I think your hand is too vurnerable to wait until the turn and I think a raise here would pick up the pot.

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I don't think that the BB is the primary worry here, but he easily could be. I commonly bet out two pair here on a somewhat draw-heavy board here, although that is at $215. There are players tricky enough do do the same here, and while I agree a raise could be good here, what if you get reraised allin? I suppose you could say it's an easy dump, but as far as I'm concerned, after I brutalized the PF, i'd slink away and not get involved in a huge pot that I likely need to catch in or dodge a lot of outs to win.