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Hi Everyone:
Here's a hand I played earlier this evening in a very loose $30-$60 game. Five people limped in and I called (for one $10 chip) out of the small blind with Q[img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img]T[img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img]. So six of us, including the big blind took the flop which was A[img]/forums/images/icons/spade.gif[/img]J[img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img]T[img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img]. Everyone checked. The turn was the K[img]/forums/images/icons/heart.gif[/img]. Everyone checked. The river was the 8[img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img]. I bet, and one player who held the 9[img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img]7[img]/forums/images/icons/diamond.gif[/img] (for a smaller straight) called. All comments welcome. Best wishes, Mason |
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Hi MRHeadsUp:
I agree with what you say. However, the downside is that you bet and another player with a queen raises and now the loose player can't play. By checking, you might catch the loose player for two bets. Best wishes, Mason |
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Mason:
Your preflop and flop bets are straightforward, I think. On the flop you have to believe that someone has caught a piece of something better than your 10's, but why not draw if you can draw cheaply (and how much cheaper could it be). When you hit the straight on the turn you check because you almost have to give your opponents a free card. When the flop is checked through, it's apparent that no one has anything (unless one or more of them is really tricky), and this would be a wonderful situation in which to bluff. But you actually hold the nuts, darn it! The free card paid off, and that's just why you gave it. Neat idea. I don't know whether I'd always see it at the table. Gino |
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Hi Gino:
You wrote: The free card paid off, and that's just why you gave it. This is partly why I posted this hand. Yes the free card paid off, and the results make it appear that it was the proper play. But are we geeting results oriented? Best wishes, Mason |
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The rainbow flop would have made me bet the turn. Low pair on the flop means checking through it on a straight draw was a good play. Nice to have six in for that flop.
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Hi RydenStoompala:
You wrote: The rainbow flop would have made me bet the turn. Aren't all different suits a reason not to bet since there is no flush draw to get a call from? Best wishes, Mason |
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Preflop
Clear call On the flop I think leading into that size of field with bottom pair is out of the question so I would check too. On the turn Rainbow board, six of you in this tiny pot (3 Big bets) I would always check here. Unless the other players at the table are complete idiots they would have to be mad to call a turn bet without a Q. Regardless of the fact that you probably have a tight image anyway, who would lead into 5 other players without a Q in such a tiny pot. Furthermore, if you do lead someone with a Q behind you might raise (idiotic but possible) but even calling would clear the rest of the field. So the reasons for checking the turn is a) you may induce a bluff from a late position player on the turn and b) you may induce a call on the river from a player who doubts your Q. What of the dangers of giving a free card. No flush draw, preflop and flop betting makes it highly unlikely anyone has two pair or a set, the only risk is that a Q comes on the river. On the river you have to bet and hope someone calls. Not worth checking and hoping to induce a bluff. I think you maximised your profit on the hand. |
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Hi pilchard:
That's pretty much the way I saw it. However, as you point out very live players are certainly capable of calling with less than a queen. However, very live players are also more capable of being in there with absolutely nothing. Best wishes, Mason |
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Preflop and flop are fine.
The turn is situation dependant: If you have been betting a lot in the game already, you should bet. If you haven't made a move in quite a while, you should check. One thing to note here is that if someone has two pairs, that someone is likely in early position. I say this because a late position player with one pair on the flop would likely have bet. The early position player with middle or bottom pair may well have checked the flop (as you did). So, on the turn, if the two pair holder is in early position, he too might check (now fearing the queen). On the other hand, if you bet, he might well call. Again, depending on your image, he may well call on the turn with a view to also calling you on the river. Having said all of that, the turn decision depends a lot on current image considerations, whether or not there are players in the game who will call with two pairs (even though the pot is so small), whether someone will be tempted to bluff if you slip it etc. |
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