Turn Screwplay for the birds?

[J_V]

Lately, I"ve been thinking that in a vacuum the turn screwplay is very rarely optimal. Dcifrths outlines why in the "Did I analyze this correctly, 100-200 post." In short, it's because the bet - 3bet line disguises your hand better and doesn't kill your action against thinking players when you have a monster and insures a bet against a weak hand or draw.

Now, you still must incorporate it in to your game once in a while, but almost exclusively for meta-game reasons. Thus, you should pick the opponents you use it against very very carefully. Piejay would be an ideal 100-200 candidate (that floating bastard). Screwplaying some random joe sitting with 1400 dollars at 100-200 probably isn't right.

Now that's not to say the screwplay bluff isn't all the rage today, with people giving it so much respect. High limit poker is much like the fashion industry in this regard.

The river screwplay is still great, because that always gets paid, and it's pretty easy to know when an opponent might value bet his mediocre holding.

[Schneids]

For the ignorant, what exactly is a "screwplay?"

[J_V]

Screwplay is a an off-tempo checkraise.

You raise AA UTG. Button Cold calls.

Flop J-10-3. You bet, Button calls.

Turn 3. You check, Button bets, you screwplay.

Notice this is much different than a normal check-raise and "says" something different as well.

[Lmn55d]

Nate the Great made a fantastic post in HUSH a few months ago about how this is usually a bad line. Anyone have the link?

[Schneids]

So basically you do this for value when OOP against a loose passive opponent or as a semibluff vs a thinking floater (IMO the best way to defense floaters is betting all flops and if called auto c/r'ing any turn).

[mike l.]

""says" something different as well."

it says hi youre a betting a station and youre going to bet whenever i tell you to. thank you for being my bitch.

also a screwplay is a donk check with the intention of raising.

i can only speak to the fact that it's a strong play in a live smaller mid limit game where there's not as much checkraising and it has the chance of being noticed by, and scaring, mediocre players.

[Lmn55d]

Here it is

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...v=#Post2421225

[Diplomat]

For the love of god use tinyurl.

-Diplomat

[J_V]

What is tinyURL? The cooler guys around here need an explanation.

[TimM]

I cant understand why people would use tinyurl when they can just make a URL link with the instant UBB code below the edit box.

Anyway, I fall for the screwplay almost every time when I have a decent hand. I once fell for it on both the turn and river of the same hand, which was embarrasing.