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88
Villians are average. Both are in the 23-25 VP$IP Range. Villian #1 has a PFR% around 5% - while Villian #2 is closer to 11%. Both have AFs around 1.
Let's do this street by street.... Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (8 handed) converter Preflop: Hero is SB with 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, MP2 <font color="#A500AF">(Villian #1)</font> calls, <font color="#CC3333">CO <font color="#A500AF">(Villian #2)</font> raises</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero 3-bets...</font> Starting with PF. I don't think I can fold this hand against these Villians. I don't like calling because the BB is pretty tight and I'll probably only get 3-way action anyways. There's a good chance I'm ahead of Villian #2 and would rather play HU OOP (versus 3-ways) so I 3-bet. Sound good? |
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Re: 88
I'd like preflop a lot more if you were in position or if MP2 wasn't in the hand. I'm tempted to fold here actually.
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Re: 88
I'd rather call this and CR favorable flops. 3-betting bloats the pot OOP and makes it more likely that you will have to showdown the best hand. Calling and checkraising a lot of flops is the only way to take this down before the river.
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Re: 88
I don't love this, but I don't hate it either. I would like it a lot more if we have seen MP2 not limp call in these types of situations. We are in bad position and 3betting creates a bigger pot to chase.
Overall, I think I call and see the flop. Planning to check raise a favorable one. |
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Re: 88
I like 3 betting here. You have a very good chance of folding out the original limper and getting heads up. With a hand like 88, you really don't want to be OOP against 2 players, especially since it has already been raise pre-flop, making a flop bet worth calling for anyone with overcards. As to calling here and c/r a favourable flop - what do you do if the flop comes T high and the bet comes from limper? Face this guy with 2 raises pre-flop and let him fold his K/J; KTs; TJo or whatever it is that the kids limp first in with these days. [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
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Re: 88
i don't like it unless CO is a weak ninny(is that a word?) you can push off of most flops. by 3 betting, if you get it HU, CO will be getting 8.5-1 or whatever to peel. with overs he is correct to peel. but, you may have folded out hands with other overcards to hit the flop by 3 betting, so it has advantages as well. i guess crunch, if you think you can push him off of a hand on the flop it is not so bad. i could fold pf, however. this is a sticky situation that has to have alot go right for you to make it profitable.
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Re: 88
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i don't like it unless CO is a weak ninny(is that a word?) you can push off of most flops. [/ QUOTE ] I should've spoke to this in the OP... sorry. Villian #1 was definitely the ninnier (or ninnyer - please advise on correct suffix? [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]) of the two. This is a big part of the reason I thought I could get it HU. Villian #2, however, was also capable of laying down. Neither of these guys were calling stations. EDIT: I'm actually kind of surprised that this little piece generated all this discussion. It's not like it's a play I'm always making - but I didn't think it's as far out of line as some of you suggest. To the people advocating to just fold to the LP raise - why? I'm ALWAYS at least calling in this situation (1 limper and a reasonably aggro PFR). |
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Re: 88
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To the people advocating to just fold to the LP raise - why? I'm ALWAYS at least calling in this situation (1 limper and a reasonably aggro PFR). [/ QUOTE ] I'm curious, what would you do with 66 or 77 here? How big does your pair have to be do want to get involved likely 3 handed? I think being OOP against possibly 2 opponents (maybe 3 if the BB wakes up with a hand) Is enough to make me want to wait for a pair higher than 8s. Like I said, I think TT is an easy 3-bet, and I'm still not sure what I'm doing with 99, while 88 I'm okay folding. That's where my line is, where is yours? |
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Re: 88
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I think TT is an easy 3-bet, and I'm still not sure what I'm doing with 99, while 88 I'm okay folding. That's where my line is, where is yours? [/ QUOTE ] I don't have a prestablished line. Any "line" that I would use fluctuate depending on the opposition. I will say that if you think we have enough equity with TT to make it an "easy" 3-bet - then we certainly must have enough equity to at least make 88 playable. |
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Re: 88
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I don't have a prestablished line. Any "line" that I would use fluctuate depending on the opposition. [/ QUOTE ] Nor do I. I was refering to this specific situation. |
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