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Old 12-24-2003, 09:33 PM
Clarkmeister Clarkmeister is offline
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Default 3 ugly hands (2 of 3)

10-20. 4 limpers, 3 of them horrible, to me in the SB with 5s3h. I risk the wrath of all the 2+2 gods and complete, BB checks. 6 to the flop for 3BBs.

Flop: Kh Qh 5h. I check, BB checks, EP bets. EP has seen every flop and is willing to bet many many many holdings here. Folded to me, I call, BB folds. 2 to the turn for 4BBs.

Turn: 9c. I check, EP bets, I call.

River: 3s. I check, EP bets, I, uhhh, call.
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Old 12-24-2003, 09:43 PM
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Default Re: 3 ugly hands (2 of 3)

I like the preflop fine but I'm a loose fish.

Why not checkraise the flop if you've decided to play on?
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Old 12-24-2003, 10:18 PM
Clarkmeister Clarkmeister is offline
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Default Re: 3 ugly hands (2 of 3)

"Why not checkraise the flop if you've decided to play on?"

I figure BB is pretty unlikely to call and if that's true, then I figure there's no reason to shower the felt with chips while out of position. Why not just play it like a way ahead/behind situation and quietly just ensure that it goes to showdown?
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Old 12-24-2003, 10:36 PM
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Default Re: 3 ugly hands (2 of 3)

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Why not just play it like a way ahead/behind situation and quietly just ensure that it goes to showdown?

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Because you can't actually be "way ahead"?

I actually don't mind the way you played this hand, except you should get more going on the river as has been pointed out.
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Old 12-25-2003, 01:02 AM
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Default Re: 3 ugly hands (2 of 3)

Looks like you could be way ahead.
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Old 12-25-2003, 12:45 PM
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Default Re: 3 ugly hands (2 of 3)

If you think that there is a good chance he is betting with nothing, that is you are ahead, then you are essentially giving him an easy chance to draw out on a vulnerable holding, without giving him a reason to fold.

I would consider a check call on the flop and a bet on the turn. If he raises you are likely done with the hand. If he calls then one of the two of you is drawing to beat the other.
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Old 12-25-2003, 11:15 PM
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Default Re: 3 ugly hands (2 of 3)

How could you be way ahead with 5-5-K-Q-9?
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Old 12-26-2003, 11:34 AM
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Default Re: 3 ugly hands (2 of 3)

Hey Andy,

If the other guy has no pair, no heart, which Clark seems to think is a possibility, then he is drawing to 4 outs...

As for the hand, I pray that I am someday good enough to be able to call preflop with 53o profitably (not saying it was a bad call for you; saying you are part of a select group who can pull that kind of crap off...).

Postflop, I think you played it well. A check-raise on the end would have been kinda fun, but you wouldn't want him to muck, thus depriving you of the chance to show your 53o... [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

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Old 12-28-2003, 02:39 PM
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My definition of way behind or way ahead is needing two cards to catch up, not one. With no pair, the opponent has six outs, not four.
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Old 12-26-2003, 01:21 PM
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Default Re: 3 ugly hands (2 of 3)

Hi Clark,

Just calling is fine so long as you are pretty sure the BB will fold for a single bet. I would consider checkraising the flop if I thought it would push out the BB, and just calling would not...ie. get this pot heads' up as cheaply as possible.

Did you consider folding on the flop?

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