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11-16-2004, 06:28 PM
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Two Preflop Cold Calls (Yikes)
And these were happening simuntaniously! This doubles my monthly total. Thoughts on any street appreciated.
Party 2/4. Both tables are playing loose but I have no specific reads on any villians. Hand 1 9h-9c in the CO. UTG+1 open raises, MP calls, I call, SB calls, BB folds. Flop [Tc, 3d, 2s]. BB checks, UTG+1 bets, MP calls, I raise, all call. Turn 5s. Checked to me, I bet, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP folds. River 5d. Checked to me and I check. Hand 2 10s-10d on the button. UTG (poster) checks, UTG+2 raises, MP1 calls, MP3 calls, I call, BB and all call. Flop [4d 2c 2s]. BB checks, UTG checks, UTG+2 bets, MP1 calls, MP3 folds, I raise, BB calls, UTG folds, UTG+2 calls, MP1 calls. Turn 5s. Checked to me, I bet, BB calls, others fold. River Qc. BB checks, I bet, BB calls. 
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#3
11-16-2004, 06:51 PM
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Re: Two Preflop Cold Calls (Yikes)
Hand 1 I don't like at all. I'm sure that a lot of people will say, "oh you have 99! call!" I don't I don't think you're in a good position to play any small to medium pair, because you have someone between you and the PFR. It's going to be tough to play because that guy in the middle will likely be getting correct drawing odds to overcards, so it'll be tough to get it headsup. On the contrary, your relative position for a set is pretty good, because you can trap that cold caller. If there was another cold caller I'd be all for calling, but given that there's only one cold caller you'll probably have to win without a set sometimes, and it's tough in this situation. If there was a limper and then a raiser, I'd be more apt to call there.
On the flop, there are 4 players in the pot. you might or might not be ahead. Then there's a bet and a call. I'd just call there. You're only protecting your hand from one person, and there are no draws present, so I don't know if it's worth playing aggressively. This might, though, be a good spot to gain information. When you get called in 3 spots, you have to start worrying that you aren't ahead. Given this, I like the way you played the rest of the hand. you're probably against a T. So, to conclude it, I'd have folded preflop (which most others won't agree with, I'm sure), and just called the flop. Hand 2 is close. TT is a pretty automatic 3-bet, but this is a spot where raising doesn't have many advantages. It just bloats the pot, and there's very little chance of anyone other than the poster and the blinds folding.
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#4
11-16-2004, 07:05 PM
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Re: Two Preflop Cold Calls (Yikes)
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Hand 2 is close. TT is a pretty automatic 3-bet, but this is a spot where raising doesn't have many advantages. It just bloats the pot, and there's very little chance of anyone other than the poster and the blinds folding. [/ QUOTE ] I like your thinking here. I think alot of times, I'm on my auto - 3 bet. But your spot on about bloating the pot. I think even if we flop "unders", - the "overs" may be able to take a card off for one bet. Sarge[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]
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#6
11-16-2004, 08:24 PM
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Re: Two Preflop Cold Calls (Yikes)
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Can you change your avatar as I believe you are jinxing them? Thanks. [/ QUOTE ] good call
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#7
11-16-2004, 08:08 PM
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Re: Two Preflop Cold Calls (Yikes)
Good reply.
Hand 1 was right in the dead zone. With tens, I'm 3-betting. With a smaller pair, a raiser and a caller isn't enough. My flop raise was another uncertainty point. SSHE advocates calling the flop and raising a safe turn card with a hand like this. But I'd like to know where I stand on the cheaper street. The plethora of callers didn't give me a warm fuzzy. And I was so close to betting the river but chickened out because the SB cold called my flop raise on a drawless board. I'm glad to see I didn't get any flak for that. Hand 2, I think I had HPFAP in my head when I cold called. They have a passage with jacks that says the worst spot for the hand is against 4 opponents. And what was I facing here? 4 opponents. The flop raise here was a little easier but should I have waited here as well? Man, this game is humbling! Been playing for a year and a half and still can be confronted with situations that I have no idea how to handle. Gotta love it!
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#8
11-16-2004, 08:27 PM
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Re: Two Preflop Cold Calls (Yikes)
I'm curious what others think about the river in hand 1. I don't value bet enough, so I'm probably not the person who should be commenting on that. I think the flop raise in hand 1 is ok since the pot isn't all that big. if it was the same situation but it went 3 bets preflop, it's a classic wait for the turn situation (although if you 3-bet preflop and the original PFR didn't cap but led the turn, I'd be pretty worried about QQ/JJ). I think the pot is small enough to make hands like QJ fold.
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#9
11-16-2004, 08:52 PM
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Re: Two Preflop Cold Calls (Yikes)
I think you value bet the river in hand 1. The only person who has done anything but call is UTG+1 and that flop bet was pretty automatic given his pre-flop raise. I think he calls with A-face enough to warrant the value bet. Now if he had just checked the flop, I think the value bet would have no use. Am I wrong?
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#10
11-16-2004, 09:51 PM
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Re: Two Preflop Cold Calls (Yikes)
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I think you value bet the river in hand 1. The only person who has done anything but call is UTG+1 and that flop bet was pretty automatic given his pre-flop raise. I think he calls with A-face enough to warrant the value bet. Now if he had just checked the flop, I think the value bet would have no use. Am I wrong? [/ QUOTE ] my question is what are they cold calling with on a T32r board?
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