KJs gets capped preflop and flops OESD

morberg · #1 06-17-2005, 09:10 AM

I'm struggling with 2/4 and am 20BB down after 5k hands (I know, not enough hands etc...) and would welcome comments on this hand.

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (9 handed) converter

Early in my session and no reads on opponents. I have seen some heavy betting preflop on the table, but not from CO (of course) or Button. After <10 hands Button is no maniac.

Preflop: Hero is MP3 with J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. CO posts a blind of $2.
4 folds, Hero raises, CO (poster) 3-bets, Button caps, 2 folds, Hero calls, CO calls.

Pretty straightforward raise with KJs in late position. I decide to call when it comes back to me capped. CO might suspect a steal, but Button must have a good hand.

Should I fold when it comes back to me?

Flop: (13.50 SB) Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Button calls, Hero calls.

Pretty good flop, but no diamonds. The open ended straight draw gives me eight outs to the nuts. Is it too aggressive to bet out here?

Turn: (9.75 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Button calls, Hero calls.

Hit TP, but I'm unsure about my kicker. Button might very well have AK given his actions so far.

River: (12.75 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, CO checks, Button bets, Hero calls, CO calls.

And a blank on the river. Correct to call down in a 14 BB pot, right? Even with two opponents?

Final Pot: 15.75 BB

Malachii · #2 06-17-2005, 09:33 AM

Fold this when it gets back to you preflop. KJs is just too weak to play here.

Postflop play is fine, even though it looks like button has AK. This is why you should've folded preflop [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

crunchy1 · #3 06-17-2005, 12:29 PM

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Fold this when it gets back to you preflop. KJs is just too weak to play here. Postflop play is fine, even though it looks like button has AK. This is why you should've folded preflop [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]

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Horrible.

DawnToDusk · #4 06-17-2005, 04:08 PM

Agree with Crunch. You should of folded preflop. Your hand is just to susceptable and you have to cold-call to see the flop.

aK13 · #5 06-17-2005, 04:39 PM

9:2 (more likely 10:2) -- fold preflop with a strong drawing hand...are you all kidding?

Flop is check/call -- you're not folding anybody, and you have about break even equity. The rest looks fine.

morberg · #6 06-17-2005, 05:18 PM

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Flop is check/call -- you're not folding anybody, and you have about break even equity. The rest looks fine.

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I had two reasons for betting out: pot equity and hoping to slow the other two down, is this kind of thinking out of line?

The situation I wanted to avoid was me checking, CO betting and Button raising making me face two bets. I still have odds to call, but there's a risk CO will reraise behind me.

With my line at least Button slowed down (perhaps he would have anyway) and I got to close the action on the flop.

hellite · #7 06-17-2005, 04:50 PM

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Agree with Crunch. You should of folded preflop. Your hand is just to susceptable and you have to cold-call to see the flop.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! This must be why I crush the 2/4 so easily. You guys are playing scared and making terrible folds! No justification for folding this preflop! You need to call 1BB, and the pot is offering you 5BB (Actually better because you can be about 99.9% the poster will call the additional bet) and you want to fold because you only have KJ suited? WOW! Absolutely terrible. You guys should be ashamed of yourselves.

Malachii · #8 06-20-2005, 04:03 AM

Posts like this make you sound like a total dumbass.

crunchy1 · #9 06-17-2005, 07:02 PM

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Agree with Crunch. You should of folded preflop. Your hand is just to susceptable and you have to cold-call to see the flop.

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I'm not sure what you're agreeing with? I think folding pre-flop is horrible.

Malachii · #10 06-20-2005, 04:01 AM

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Fold this when it gets back to you preflop. KJs is just too weak to play here. Postflop play is fine, even though it looks like button has AK. This is why you should've folded preflop

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Horrible.

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Why is folding KJs when you have to call 2 bets cold horrible? You have a weak hand that's easily dominated. Plus, you have brutal reverse implied odds. If he's 3 betting with a hand like QQ, you won't win much if you hit a K, and if he has AK you'll be spewing the whole way.

Also, not to say that we shouldn't necessarily be questioning what he writes, but I vaguely recall reading in SSH that you should treat calling a reraise and a cap behind you the same way that you should have treat calling 2 bets cold if you haven't entered a pot.

PS: If you don't like my advice, you could at least have the decency to explain your reasoning so that we might both learn something instead of making some wiseass one liner.