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Old 06-01-2005, 12:48 PM
Dave613 Dave613 is offline
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Default AK in level 1 with 2 raises before me

Hi all,
this was a frustrating loss at a 20+2. I was assuming that my reraise was large enough for 1 of them to fold, but I was apprehensive about pushing because MP2 was so shortstacked (willing to go allin). I realize that this is abit contradictory and I now think I should have just pushed (but I also now know that MP3 had KQ and probably would have folded if I pushed...though he SHOULD have folded with my 200 raise anyway right?). How would you have played this differently?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t15 (10 handed) converter

Hero (t775)
SB (t388)
BB (t930)
UTG (t700)
UTG+1 (t890)
UTG+2 (t700)
MP1 (t1590)
MP2 (t350)
MP3 (t892)
CO (t785)

Preflop: Hero is Button with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
<font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, UTG+1 calls t15, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, MP1 calls t15, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t45</font>, <font color="#CC3333">MP3 raises to t75</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t200</font>, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, UTG+1 folds, MP1 folds, <font color="#CC3333">MP2 raises to t350 (All-In)</font>, MP3 calls t275, Hero calls t150.

Flop: (t1105) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets t125</font>, Hero calls t125.

Turn: (t1355) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 1 all-in)</font>
<font color="#CC3333">MP3 bets t150</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to t300 (All-In)</font>, MP3 calls t150.

River: (t1955) Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players, 2 all-in)</font>

Final Pot: t1955
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:11 PM
djshawk djshawk is offline
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Default Re: AK in level 1 with 2 raises before me

Push the flop &amp; dont post bad beats.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:14 PM
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Default Re: AK in level 1 with 2 raises before me

I dont know about pushing here... you have almost no fold equity and are most likely a slight dog... i think th better options would be to call the 75 and act on the flop or just fold. you'll be able to outplay them later in the game.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:17 PM
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Default Re: AK in level 1 with 2 raises before me

Thanks for the reply, but I wasnt posting to get out some angst...I honestly was curious about how others would deal with 2 raisers in front. But I am fairly new here...is it very frowned upon to say if you won or lost and how? It was what the winner was holding that got me thinking of how I should have played it differently.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:39 PM
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Default Re: AK in level 1 with 2 raises before me

There is no way to put the short stack on a better hand than yours.I will explain why.Tell me if things were different. This early in the game and short stack is that LOW!!.Really bad player which means you are probably winning.Unless he got stung with a big hand earlier.You should have pushed preflop.Happy to be heads up with the short stack.Do not worry about the raise by utg (sry whoever raised to 75)They are most likely trying to get it heads up.AK suited only hand that is scary that you might be up against is AA or KK.(I learned along time you cannot be afraid of monsters.)Also AA or KK would generally raise more than 75 or call and slowplay and they did neither.Looking good preflop (Push it!!!)
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Old 06-01-2005, 03:36 PM
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Default Re: AK in level 1 with 2 raises before me

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I am fairly new here...is it very frowned upon to say if you won or lost and how?

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Generally you want to omit the results in the initialy post so that it doesn't bias the responses. It's ok to let people know the results if they ask, but the idea is that the results aren't what matter, its your play that does.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:15 PM
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Default Re: AK in level 1 with 2 raises before me

MP3's hand smells like QQ-AA before it reaches you preflop. I'm not going to fold for 75 here, but I am going to flat call. After that flop, I'm probably going broke, too. But, considering the way that the hand played out, you should have pushed the flop.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:46 PM
draw2aflush draw2aflush is offline
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Default Re: AK in level 1 with 2 raises before me

The bet of 75 reeks of AQ,AK,KQ.Players will usually slowplay AA,KK,or QQs or bet 8-10 times the BB.betting 3-4 times the BB almost always ends up being AK,AQ,KQ.
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Old 06-01-2005, 01:56 PM
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Default Re: AK in level 1 with 2 raises before me

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The bet of 75 reeks of AQ,AK,KQ.Players will usually slowplay AA,KK,or QQs or bet 8-10 times the BB.betting 3-4 times the BB almost always ends up being AK,AQ,KQ.

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I don't agree. The minimum reraise preflop is often a danger sign.
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Old 06-01-2005, 02:07 PM
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Default Re: AK in level 1 with 2 raises before me

It was not the minimum raise preflop though.BB was 15 to go.If it had been the minimum raise preflop I agree with you.That is why I posted earlier that someone with AA,KK,or QQ is more likely to slowplay meaning call or raise to 30 or bet much larger.Those are red flags.This situtation was not a minimum raise though
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