Wow, I butchered another one

TheWorstPlayer · #1 08-14-2005, 11:46 PM

UTG is pretty tight/solid. SB is unknown but seems to be a bit of a donk from his first few hands. Better lines (I think I may have messed up all streets again)? River decision?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ TWP (6 max, 6 handed) converter

CO ($169.15)
Button ($98)
SB ($100.90)
TWP ($180.65)
UTG ($65.80)
MP ($35.99)

Preflop: TWP is BB with J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $0.50.
UTG raises to $3, 3 folds, SB (poster) raises to $4.5, TWP calls $4, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($15) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, TWP bets $8, UTG raises to $20, SB folds, TWP calls $12.

Turn: ($55) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
TWP checks, UTG checks.

River: ($55) 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
TWP checks, UTG bets $25, TWP ...?

djoyce003 · #2 08-14-2005, 11:50 PM

Bet the turn...that was a dream card for you. You have a very good chance to make him fold his overpair. You are beat, fold the river.

passion · #3 08-15-2005, 08:27 AM

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Bet the turn...that was a dream card for you. You have a very good chance to make him fold his overpair. You are beat, fold the river.

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It would be a better card if the opponent had a deeper stack. He actually doesn't have much left in relation to the pot size so it is unlikely he will fold a big PP.

I think once you call that flop raise your basically in it until the river (barring an AK turn and river), but I like the idea of just calling to keep the pot as small as possible. You have to call the river bet - the time for folding was on the flop. You could have bet a little on the river, but given the pot and stack sizes I'm not really sure it would have mattered.

Passion

djoyce003 · #4 08-15-2005, 09:50 AM

I disagree. He has about 80 left and that ten scared the crap out of him I guarantee. He's valuebetting AA or KK on the river, but I think a reasonable/semi-tight player folds to a turn lead after that 10 pairs. TWP's lead on the flop looks exactly like top pair....when it pairs that pot is his. Make a bet of around the pot and he'll fold way more than half the time I think.

passion · #5 08-15-2005, 10:07 AM

I thought UTG started the hand with $65. He raised $12 pf and put another $20 in on the flop leaving him with about $33 on the turn. On the turn the pot was $55. Bottom line is that this is a bad time to bluff as the guy is surely going to call with an overpair.

These circumstances are why I said the time to fold is on the flop. If your going to call the flop raise you might as well put it all in there.

Passion

djoyce003 · #6 08-15-2005, 10:29 AM

you are right, my bad, I was thinking it was the SB left. He probably isn't folding no matter what then.

swolfe · #7 08-14-2005, 11:51 PM

i'd block the river. as played, i think you shoudl call.

Macquarie · #8 08-15-2005, 02:02 AM

Why did you call the flop raise? Does a tight player really raise with overcards here?

TheWorstPlayer · #9 08-15-2005, 02:12 AM

I was thinking a ten or something like 99 or 88 since the preflop re-raise checked it could look like i was taking a weak stab at it. I don't know. I folded the river and think I screwed up preflop (I should re-raise), the flop (bet shoulda been bigger), and the river (I should block/fold).

pokerjoker · #10 08-15-2005, 03:02 AM

this is probably the most diverse advice i have ever seen for a hand...according to us pretty much do anything on any street....