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$55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em Tourney, Big Blind is t300 (3 handed) converter
Hero (t2660) Button (t4150) SB (t3190) Preflop: Hero is BB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises to t600</font>, Hero ? |
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
Push. KJ is too good 3 handed with 9BB.
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
Push, unless you have a specific reason to suspect trickiness.
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
Push - I hate min raisers.
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
Depends on what you believe your fold equity to be against him.
If he calls even as much as a third of the time, you're going to have to pray his raising range is in the top 37-40% of hands, which is pretty wide. Two responses on this thread 'I hate min-raisers' and 'KJ is too good 3 handed with 9bb' are totally missing the point, as usual. |
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
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Depends on what you believe your fold equity to be against him. If he calls even as much as a third of the time, you're going to have to pray his raising range is in the top 37-40% of hands, which is pretty wide. Two responses on this thread 'I hate min-raisers' and 'KJ is too good 3 handed with 9bb' are totally missing the point, as usual. [/ QUOTE ] Are you on drugs? Are you saying you'd fold? Or that you'd call and play "some poker"? Seriously, wtf. The default play here is to push. |
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
No I'm not on drugs, I just happened to do the ICM maths on this situation.
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
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Two responses on this thread 'I hate min-raisers' and 'KJ is too good 3 handed with 9bb' are totally missing the point, as usual. [/ QUOTE ] lol... good to have you back tigerite. seriously though, the key is how the bubble played and how ITM has gone so far. has he called any all-in pushes? what's his typical SB behavior been (completeing, pushing, min-raising, standard raising)? basically, you make this push if you think he's going to respond weakly to aggression (i.e. fold). i actually don't think you want a call here. |
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
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basically, you make this push if you think he's going to respond weakly to aggression (i.e. fold). i actually don't think you want a call here. [/ QUOTE ] Correct! You don't want a call here - unless he is folding enough to make up for when he DOES call (because of the "dead" 900 chips). It might seem counter-intuitive, but if he called 100% of the time here, you'd have to be 50.3% favourite for it to be +$EV.. and KJo just doesn't stand up that well against a whole lot (thus the need for it to be a 39% range). The problem is, when he folds the bottom X% of that range, then the hands he still calls with, KJo holds up badly against those too, and so on.. it doesn't get below 37% range til he's folding 40%+ of the time. That is what I was trying to get at, but hey, ridicule is fine too. |
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Re: $55 Quick check 3: KJo on BB facing SB miniraise
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[ QUOTE ] basically, you make this push if you think he's going to respond weakly to aggression (i.e. fold). i actually don't think you want a call here. [/ QUOTE ] Correct! You don't want a call here - unless he is folding enough to make up for when he DOES call (because of the "dead" 900 chips). It might seem counter-intuitive, but if he called 100% of the time here, you'd have to be 50.3% favourite for it to be +$EV.. and KJo just doesn't stand up that well against a whole lot (thus the need for it to be a 39% range). The problem is, when he folds the bottom X% of that range, then the hands he still calls with, KJo holds up badly against those too, and so on.. it doesn't get below 37% range til he's folding 40%+ of the time. That is what I was trying to get at, but hey, ridicule is fine too. [/ QUOTE ] What do you put SB min-raise/call-a-push range at? 22+? A9+? KJ+? We're 37/63 against that range. So, all the matters is the number of times SB folds. You're telling me that it's correct to fold KJ w/9BB ITM to a min-raise? |
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