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How Does Derb Play?
A billion replies to my other thread but no one actually explained in any detail how he plays. With some examples please. But not with hand histories. I'm not use to reading them.
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Re: How Does Derb Play?
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A billion replies to my other thread but no one actually explained in any detail how he plays. With some examples please. But not with hand histories. I'm not use to reading them. [/ QUOTE ] I'm sure others will have more detailed comments but one thing that stood out: unlike typical LAG's, he adjusted his play against me once he realized I wasn't laying down any decent hands against him. |
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Re: How Does Derb Play?
you're going to get a billion responses with isolated hands that look insane. i don't think anything short of a contiguous set of 50+ hands could be taken very seriously because of selection bias (from both supporters and detractors).
the general 'how does he play' is loose aggressive. plays many more hands than usual (liberal cold-calling with hands in late position that might be dominated), raises many more hands than usual, and makes regular plays for the pot like heads up threebets on the turn with far from stellar holdings. such tactics are not popular online, even in moderation, because the 'anonymous' and hyper-aggressive nature of the games promotes liberal calldowns. |
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Re: How Does Derb Play?
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A billion replies to my other thread but no one actually explained in any detail how he plays. With some examples please. But not with hand histories. I'm not use to reading them. [/ QUOTE ] Basically, he's a mindreader. For example, if you posted something like, "Can someone bring me up to speed?" he would know that you want a detailed analysis of how he plays (which is basically LAG,btw). |
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Re: How Does Derb Play?
First, DERB will play extremely aggressively postflop, with a definite consideration of position. He defend his blinds with a very wide range and also cold calls a lot in position with easily dominated hands like QJo and A9s. He continues to play with this aggression on the later streets, jamming frequently with draws even when they are not that strong. He throws in a mix of calling rivers with seemingly hopeless hand and folding to river bets a lot. He seems to me to have quite good hand reading skills, he certainly isn't afraid to fold for one bet in a big pot, but that being said, he is certainly not a prime candidate to bluff, because he will throw in call downs with A high, and is so aggressive on all streets. I think the two sticking points that really get to people are his very loose aggressive preflop play, and his capping of the flop and turn with marginal hands.
I remember one hand at 30/60, I raised UTG with 98s (I was playing very tight up until then) he called next with 97s (clubs) and another player called, the button three bet and everyone called. The flop was 765 with two clubs. He and I capped the flop with 2 others players still in. The turn was an offsuit J, and we capped the turn as well, one of the other players was all-in, and the other one folded. The river with a non-pairing club and I checked and he bet and I called. I was surprised because it seemed as though there was a good chance he was drawing dead to a chop. He makes plays like this all the time, capping with top pair no kicker, or a mid flush draw. |
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Re: How Does Derb Play?
He will makes lots of crazy plays for pots, like 3 betting the turn with Ace high. The thing that makes him seem so awful at times is that he will frequently not give up after his crazy play. He will 3 bet the turn with almost nothing, and when the other guy caps it he calls down anyway. This works to his advantage sometimes- his opponents will cap the turn with middle pair sometimes when he actually has the nuts.
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Re: How Does Derb Play?
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He will makes lots of crazy plays for pots, like 3 betting the turn with Ace high. The thing that makes him seem so awful at times is that he will frequently not give up after his crazy play. He will 3 bet the turn with almost nothing, and when the other guy caps it he calls down anyway. This works to his advantage sometimes- his opponents will cap the turn with middle pair sometimes when he actually has the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] If someone were playing a perfect game theory version of poker, calling down and bluffing randomly to achieve this, wouldn't A LOT of their plays look really bad, taken in isolation? |
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Re: How Does Derb Play?
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[ QUOTE ] He will makes lots of crazy plays for pots, like 3 betting the turn with Ace high. The thing that makes him seem so awful at times is that he will frequently not give up after his crazy play. He will 3 bet the turn with almost nothing, and when the other guy caps it he calls down anyway. This works to his advantage sometimes- his opponents will cap the turn with middle pair sometimes when he actually has the nuts. [/ QUOTE ] If someone were playing a perfect game theory version of poker, calling down and bluffing randomly to achieve this, wouldn't A LOT of their plays look really bad, taken in isolation? [/ QUOTE ] the problem with this is no perfect game theory version of poker has been developed...I'm working on it though :-P |
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Re: How Does Derb Play?
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the problem with this is no perfect game theory version of poker has been developed...I'm working on it though :-P [/ QUOTE ] OK, maybe not perfect [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]. But maybe coming a lot closer than anyone else has figured out yet. |
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Re: How Does Derb Play?
It's all about his Shania, no? Using plays that are, in isolation, unprofitable, but that ultimately make his overall play highly profitable.
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