QJs > Nuts > Action

-Skeme- · #1 12-25-2005, 08:34 AM

Villain is decent for $200 NL. I would say he's a thinking player. Not very good, but better than average, most likely a winner in the game.

-----
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed)

UTG ($253.50)
UTG+1 ($206)
Hero ($323.70)
MP2 ($200)
CO ($75)
Button ($191.25)
SB ($165.25)
BB ($200.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($8) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $6, Hero raises to $22, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls $16.

Turn: ($52) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $30, Hero ??
-----

What's the best way to play this? What do you put Villain on? How much do you think he's calling here? There are also many a card that come which may prohibit me from getting his whole stack in as well as scaring me into wanting his whole stack in. Thanks.

Maulik · #2 12-25-2005, 08:42 AM

I'm raising to $100 or pushing.

Rotating Rabbit · #3 12-25-2005, 08:43 AM

i push and expect to be called by a set in 200nl, maybe even worse hands

-Skeme- · #4 12-25-2005, 08:49 AM

Yeah, this hand isn't gonna generate the discussion I thought it would. I figured I'd get his whole stack by pushing. Also had him on a set. He deliberated for like 15-20 seconds and called with 76c.

-----
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, $2 BB (8 handed)

UTG ($253.50)
UTG+1 ($206)
Hero ($323.70)
MP2 ($200)
CO ($75)
Button ($191.25)
SB ($165.25)
BB ($200.80)

Preflop: Hero is MP1 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
2 folds, Hero calls $2, 2 folds, Button calls $2, SB completes, BB checks.

Flop: ($8) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets $6, Hero raises to $22, Button folds, SB folds, BB calls $16.

Turn: ($52) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB bets $30, Hero raises to $299.7, BB calls $146.80 (All-In).

River: ($528.50) T[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $528.50

Results in white below: 
BB has 6c 7c (straight, ten high).
Hero has Qh Jh (straight, queen high).
Outcome: Hero wins $528.50. 
-----

Meh.

Ghazban · #5 12-25-2005, 08:55 AM

I would've just called the turn. Villain's line from a thinking player looks like he's probing to see if you were raising a draw on the flop. If you raise both flop and turn, he can fold a ton of hands confidently knowing you weren't raising the flop to give yourself the option for a free river. Its also worth mentioning that he will almost never be on a straight or flush draw himself with this action and almost always has a made hand of some sort (straight, set, two pair).

If you call the turn, you have anough behind to sell a desperation bluff on the river (so long as the board doesn't pair) which he will have to call with a set or two pair if that card doesn't complete the flush or straight. In light of what he actually had, your line is better but I think call turn->push river gets more money in against his entire range. Of course, that's dependent on your table image to some degree but as I haven't played with you, I can't comment on that.

Hattifnatt · #6 12-25-2005, 09:54 AM

[ QUOTE ]
I would've just called the turn. [...]

[/ QUOTE ]
Isnt there a big problem with calling because so many cards will be actionkillers on the river IYO? + The little possibility that a scare card come and he comes in pushing and Hero get a tough decision?

-Skeme- · #7 12-25-2005, 10:10 AM

[ QUOTE ]
I would've just called the turn. Villain's line from a thinking player looks like he's probing to see if you were raising a draw on the flop.

[/ QUOTE ]

That's possible, but he should still have a hand right? If he's probing with a made hand, I want to raise and get his money into the pot before something kills my action. What happens when I call and sell the whole draw thing, but a spade comes? That's not really good for anybody.

Is he has 76, that's great as there is very little chance he'll get away from it. Especially when I play it super fast like I did. Not to mention, if he does have a made hand, my jam can also sell the whole semi-bluff thing, too.

If he has a set, I doubt he's getting away from that either. If he's probing with a draw, good, I still want to raise here, right? I'd rather go with the sure thing though, which is getting my money in now, as opposed to hoping river blanks so I can jam and sell a bluff.. all the while hoping his probing hand is that strong.

[ QUOTE ]
What do you think of Villain's line here? It seems very hard to get away from 67......

[/ QUOTE ]

Yeah, can't fault him for calling. I can easily have a set there and I'd play it the same way.

partygirluk · #8 12-25-2005, 09:31 AM

What do you think of Villain's line here? It seems very hard to get away from 67......