PS 10+1 late

[pooh74]

Sorry, at work...this is from memory:

61 left, 135 paid...you know the drill, only worth it in top 5 or so...anyway:


Blinds: 800/1600 plus antes (full table)
Hero in SB: 27K
BB: 24k
Button:45K

all fold to button who calls, hero has A5h...easy push right? Just making sure, thanks

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Edit: 3rd hand at table so no reads nor player stats...

[miajag81]

If this is really an "easy push," I must be missing some fundamental concept of tournament poker (which is entirely possible).

[pooh74]

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If this is really an "easy push," I must be missing some fundamental concept of tournament poker (which is entirely possible).

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Well, i could fold...

I am not raising, because I dont want to play this OOP for sure and I also cannot really lay down to a RR...

Button limping has shown me nothing, unless he's trapping (doubt it) what does he call half of his stack with? By just pushing, I am adding almost 20% to my stack.

Of course I might be fundamentally flawed...I am a SNGer by trade and not the best MTTer by far.

[TakenItEasy]

The problem with pushing here is that your risk reward is way too high. The stacks still have plenty of room here for a standard raise which will accomplish the same thing. 10XBB or 7X(blinds+antes) is about the correct size to start pushing when raising.

My guess is that BB was tight for a reason. He has plenty of money and can afford your steals. He sees you overbetting BTF too often so he tightens up and waits for you to give your stack away.

[pooh74]

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The problem with pushing here is that your risk reward is way too high. The stacks still have plenty of room here for a standard raise which will accomplish the same thing. 10XBB or 7X(blinds+antes) is about the correct size to start pushing when raising.

My guess is that BB was tight for a reason. He has plenty of money and can afford your steals. He sees you overbetting BTF too often so he tightens up and waits for you to give your stack away.

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Well not really (I was just moved to the table recently...previous table was hating my donkish laggy ways though).

But you're right, its a risk/reward issue plain and simple. I guess I shouldve just completed because I would have to raise enough out of the SB to make sure I didnt get into any tricky oop flop situations.

I should add that I had a bit of an $/hr. consideration in this push as well...I was feeling a bit sick and tired and wanted to hit the hay...so I took some risks that I guess shouldnt be normally taken.

[schwza]

i think pushing here is fine. i used to be very susp. of button limps, but now i think it's often just some misc. mediocre hand. completing is fine too.

everybody saying "you have 16x" or whatever - you have to remember the antes, which means that your stack is effectively much shorter (at least from my perspective, b/c i'm used to playing on party.)

[Skjonne]

BB is still to act and a button limp is really suspicious this late in a tourney. My stack is still very playable, so I just complete and hopefully see a flop and take it from there

[miajag81]

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My stack is still very playable, so I just complete and hopefully see a flop and take it from there

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exactly, you still have like 17BB, no reason to push here IMO.

[Sam T.]

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BB is still to act and a button limp is really suspicious this late in a tourney. My stack is still very playable, so I just complete and hopefully see a flop and take it from there

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In a $10, a button limp does not necessarily mean anything more than the guy got both his cards. Occasionally you'll see a monster, but I wouldn't count on it.

If I'm raising, I'm probably pushing. At this point a walk in the blinds can be very pleasant, so you gotta train the guys to your right to keep their paws off.

That said, I'll complete with a suited ace. Keeps you from trouble if BB or button wakes up with a monster pre-flop, and gives you the chance to flop something very nice/playable.

I don't see how raising to 3xBB commits you if someone comes over the top.