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Old 07-05-2005, 01:44 PM
HighestCard HighestCard is offline
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Default TPTK, safe flop but pusher and caller infront

Pokerroom 10+1, level II blinds, Yum man has made some crazy bets to get to his chip lead. Skinhead seems like a solid player

Seat 1: HERO [KH,AC] ($1,205 in chips)
Seat 2: Sn4ke11 ($867 in chips)
Seat 4: Serioussnaps ($2,791 in chips)
Seat 6: skinhead308 ($1,475 in chips)
Seat 7: marcmojo ($2,488 in chips)
Seat 8: Yum Man ($3,371 in chips)
Seat 9: danne32 ($1,378 in chips)
Seat 10: sic36nat ($1,425 in chips)


ANTES/BLINDS
Sn4ke11 posts blind ($15), Serioussnaps posts blind ($30).

PRE-FLOP
skinhead308 bets $125, marcmojo folds, Yum Man calls $125, danne32 folds, sic36nat folds, HERO calls $125, Sn4ke11 folds, Serioussnaps folds.

FLOP [board cards KD,3S,10C ]
skinhead308 bets $1,350 and is all-in, Yum Man calls $1,350, HERO???...


Thanks in advance..
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Old 07-05-2005, 01:58 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, safe flop but pusher and caller infront

i probably push preflop, but i'm a bit laggy.

this is tough on the flop. i can't see him making this bet with a made hand (KK, TT). So I think you have the bettor beat. As for the caller... that's really tough. He could have made a set, or he could have KQ.

I think I find a fold.... It's difficult though.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:00 PM
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Default Re: TPTK, safe flop but pusher and caller infront

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i probably push preflop, but i'm a bit laggy.

this is tough on the flop. i can't see him making this bet with a made hand (KK, TT). So I think you have the bettor beat. As for the caller... that's really tough. He could have made a set, or he could have KQ.

I think I find a fold.... It's difficult though.

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oh yeah, i push pre-flop.
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Old 07-05-2005, 01:59 PM
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i'd call. here's a rough range for utg: 99+, AJ+, KQ. you're only behind AA, KK, and TT, which is only 9 hands total. AQ alone represents 12 hands, and any other hand in the raising range may push here, especially with the gutshot to go along with Ax.

yum's call is a little scary, but yum is likely reraising AA/KK pre-flop. that leaves only TT (which may reraise) and 33 (which may fold). so there aren't a lot of reasonable hands for him to have that are ahead of you. and depending on how loose he is pre-flop, he could have a lot of KJ-type hands. plus you're getting a little discount in the pot b/c you're short.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:14 PM
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i'd call. here's a rough range for utg: 99+, AJ+, KQ. you're only behind AA, KK, and TT, which is only 9 hands total. AQ alone represents 12 hands, and any other hand in the raising range may push here, especially with the gutshot to go along with Ax.

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I don't know of any solid player who pushes AQo here against someone like yum (given OP's description). The only hands I can see solid player pushing into yum like this are hands that beat you.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:30 PM
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i'd call. here's a rough range for utg: 99+, AJ+, KQ. you're only behind AA, KK, and TT, which is only 9 hands total. AQ alone represents 12 hands, and any other hand in the raising range may push here, especially with the gutshot to go along with Ax.

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I don't know of any solid player who pushes AQo here against someone like yum (given OP's description). The only hands I can see solid player pushing into yum like this are hands that beat you.

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suppose yum had folded. would you fold?
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:35 PM
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I'm not worried about yum, so yes.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:52 PM
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I'm not worried about yum, so yes.

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i think you're putting way too much stock in OP's read of "solid." you think utg check-folds if he has QQ/AQ/KQ?
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:01 PM
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Skinhead seems like a solid player

HERO???...



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2+2 = ??

It's not worth it here IMO.
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Old 07-05-2005, 02:02 PM
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Skinhead seems like a solid player

HERO???...



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2+2 = ??

It's not worth it here IMO.

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2+2 = big overbet with AA? doesn't so solid to me. what do you think he could have?
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