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Dealing with a guy re-raising me light pre flop
Villain was certainly a thinking LAG, but maybe a little too loose/fancy for his own good. Stats on him were 50/16 over 350 hands. He was constantly re-raising my opening raises (my stats are 29/18). Unless he was on a huge rush he was almost certainly re-raising me light. Although he did elect to show me KK once.
When I called the re-raise pre-flop I decided I was certainly playing it for more than set value. Please note that the flop raise is not much more than pot sized. Who likes? Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx CO ($156.60) Hero ($456.22) SB ($224.20) BB ($184.15) UTG ($451.35) MP ($51.62) Preflop: Hero is Button with 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $1. <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises to $7</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB (poster) raises to $29</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, Hero calls $23. Flop: ($62) 4[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets $45</font>, Hero goes all-in $426.22 |
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Re: Dealing with a guy re-raising me light pre flop
perhaps this isnt my style of play, and it IS very read dependent, but i can't think we're ahead here.
(i love how i am of ZERO help to this thread!!) |
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Re: Dealing with a guy re-raising me light pre flop
ive done similar things. sometimes he folds, sometimes he calls. It depends how often he's reraising you light, as he wont laydown a better hand, obv, so you're moving in figuring to pick up ~80 when he has nothing, losing ~225 with 10% equity (or -200ish) meaning he needs to fold at a 20:8 clip to balance it out, or about 70% of the time. If he ever calls with a worst hand - like A4 - this play gains immense value (or takes a stand with improved AK, for example) which if you're like me, still only happens rarely. (when they REALLY get fed up) so thats a low %.
so what it comes down to is how often is he repoping 99+ vs everything else. Most of the time this is OK, maybe pos EV, but involves alot of variance. I think I fold to the reraise as you're not given set odds, although calling and moving in on flops (like this) is the next best option. |
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Re: Dealing with a guy re-raising me light pre flop
He seemed to be tilting a little bit, and one reason that I liked my play is that I did expect an occassional crazy call from an A4/AK type hand. He called a pot sized bet of mine on the river once with AJ on a Q679Q board after I had checked the turn behind (I had 8T -- flush card hit on turn).
Your analysis of 70%~ folding clip is well noted and a bit alarming. Also, I have to think he folds 66 and 77 almost 100%. |
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Re: Dealing with a guy re-raising me light pre flop
Doing my own numbers isn't it more like I pick up $100 (the $100 in the pot) when he folds and lose 90% of the $150 that he has left (~$135) when he calls? Then he only has to fold like 58% of the time to make this profitable. And that's completely ignoring the few times I'll actually be ahead when he calls.
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Re: Dealing with a guy re-raising me light pre flop
[ QUOTE ]
Doing my own numbers isn't it more like I pick up $100 (the $100 in the pot) when he folds and lose 90% of the $150 that he has left (~$135) when he calls? Then he only has to fold like 58% of the time to make this profitable. And that's completely ignoring the few times I'll actually be ahead when he calls. [/ QUOTE ] Way I was thinking about it was net profit (your pf plan with calling the raise then attacking the pot, rather then assuming postflop on what to do; the differences in our numbers is I include the pf call of the reraise in one of the obstacles to overcome) namely, you win the amount he expended pf + continuation bet when he doesn't call, (which was ~80) and lose your stack (or effective stack, which was ~225) with just ~2ish outs (so 10%, or about 20 equity, making net -200). |
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Re: Dealing with a guy re-raising me light pre flop
[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ] Doing my own numbers isn't it more like I pick up $100 (the $100 in the pot) when he folds and lose 90% of the $150 that he has left (~$135) when he calls? Then he only has to fold like 58% of the time to make this profitable. And that's completely ignoring the few times I'll actually be ahead when he calls. [/ QUOTE ] Way I was thinking about it was net profit (your pf plan with calling the raise then attacking the pot, rather then assuming postflop on what to do; the differences in our numbers is I include the pf call of the reraise in one of the obstacles to overcome) namely, you win the amount he expended pf + continuation bet when he doesn't call, (which was ~80) and lose your stack (or effective stack, which was ~225) with just ~2ish outs (so 10%, or about 20 equity, making net -200). [/ QUOTE ] I understand your analysis, but it ignores my backup plan of occassionally flopping a set and winning a huge pot. The true flop fold percent figure for profitability is probably somewhere in between my 58% and your 70% number when you factor this in. |
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Re: Dealing with a guy re-raising me light pre flop
You note that you are laggy/maniacal yourself. I often check call down maniacal lags. Once I beat them in a pot, they slow down if I call their flop bets and they are on air, which allows me to steal or value bet the river.
Whenever I try to play more aggressively against them, I seem to make the wrong move at the wrong time. Do you have any suggestions on how to counter a laggy/maniacal player, who plays well postflop? |
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Re: Dealing with a guy re-raising me light pre flop
i've seen the results, but i think this sucks.
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Re: Dealing with a guy re-raising me light pre flop
thanks
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