3/6: KQ flops TP, turns two pair

AceHiStation · #1 12-09-2005, 01:26 AM

Just sat down, no relevant reads. I'm in a bad downswing... so I could use a quick scolding to help me out.
Thanks,
-Ace

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

CO ($1151.13)
Button ($668.73)
Hero ($586.12)
BB ($688.15)
UTG ($185)
MP ($1208.50)

Preflop: Hero is SB with K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. Hero posts a blind of $3.
UTG calls $6, MP calls $6, 1 fold, Button raises to $18, Hero (poster) calls $15, 1 fold, UTG calls $12, MP calls $12.

Flop: ($78) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
Hero checks, UTG checks, MP checks, Button bets $75, Hero calls $75, UTG folds, MP calls $75.

Turn: ($303) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero checks, MP checks, Button bets $150, Hero calls $150, MP calls $150.

River: ($753) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
Hero calls all-in($343.12), MP calls $343.12, Button folds.

Final Pot: $1439.24

Raven · #2 12-09-2005, 01:32 AM

I wonder why you didnt check-raise the turn all-in ?

scrapperdog · #3 12-09-2005, 01:57 AM

We cant scold you too bad cause we all have done it. Yep the time to end the party is when it gets back to you on the turn. If someone has a set oh well, top 2 is one of those times where a set is gonna make its money.

AceHiStation · #4 12-09-2005, 02:21 AM

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I wonder why you didnt check-raise the turn all-in ?

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I felt there were hands I could scare off on the turn that wouldn't suckout by seeing river card.

Raven · #5 12-09-2005, 02:29 AM

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I wonder why you didnt check-raise the turn all-in ?

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I felt there were hands I could scare off on the turn that wouldn't suckout by seeing river card.

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Its just that with 2 opponent there are a lot of backdoor draws that could be there on the turn and the pot is big enough to protect relative to the stack sizes.

I would fold before the flop most of the time also, but I dont think its that much bad to call.

AceHiStation · #6 12-09-2005, 02:48 AM

Dude flipped up 33... looking back it was pretty obvious he had 3s or 5s ... and that was in the back of my mind as I called the turn bet. After I made the preflop call I immediately didn't like it. Got me into a bad situation and I was unable to get away as a result.

Thanks,
-Ace

scrapperdog · #7 12-09-2005, 03:34 AM

I would have been more upset with flat calling turn and having someone suck out with a heart like AQ hearts (I know you had queen but am pretending you did not) or having an ace pop up to help out AK then I would be with paying off a set with top 2. Or even a 3 come to bail out AA. These top 2 hands are hard to get away from. That bet on flop is pretty strong though, maybe get away on flop but once the king came I pay them off. Sounds like your hand reading skills are pretty damn good, dont let the swing get you down.

ClaytonN · #8 12-09-2005, 06:50 AM

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Dude flipped up 33... looking back it was pretty obvious he had 3s or 5s ... and that was in the back of my mind as I called the turn bet. After I made the preflop call I immediately didn't like it. Got me into a bad situation and I was unable to get away as a result.

Thanks,
-Ace

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if this is the case, why bet out the river? assume MP is a live one or something to that extent, you will get a bet fired into you a lot with weaker holdings if you check out, but when you make that push you are only getting called by hands that beat you. HU you can get more action, but when you are pushing out 3-handed on the river I would think that players are calling you with a little bit tighter holdings on the $350 bet into the $700 pot, especially so with MP. On the other hand button could fire a third bet with something like AK, since neither you nor MP have given any reason to believe you've got that beat and would call down again with something like QJ.

ansky451 · #9 12-09-2005, 02:10 AM

I'm not a big fan of playing a multi way raised pot with KQo OOP. Other than that, seems odd not to check raise all in on turn.

soah · #10 12-09-2005, 02:14 AM

I really dislike playing multiway raised pots from the sb with KQo.