QQ multiway with overcard on flop

Wario · #1 01-24-2005, 06:57 AM

How would you have played this? Feel free to criticise any street.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img].
UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, UTG+2 folds, MP1 folds, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero raises, SB folds, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, MP2 calls, MP3 calls, CO calls.

Flop: (12.50 SB) A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 7[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (6 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 calls, MP2 folds, MP3 calls, CO calls, Hero calls.

Turn: (8.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB checks, UTG+1 checks, MP3 checks, CO checks, Hero checks.

River: (8.75 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (5 players)
BB bets, UTG+1 folds, MP3 folds, CO calls, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 11.75 BB

Thanks.

Nick Royale · #2 01-24-2005, 08:21 AM

I don't like calling the flop, but with this pot I guess I'm stuck. If you're planning to fold the turn UI, I like it.

You're probably toast at the river, but closing the action in a 11 BB pot can not be bad given that the turn was checked through.

zuluking · #3 01-24-2005, 08:24 AM

Raise the flop, if re-raised, call and call it down. If just called, bet out on the turn when he checks.

Nick Royale · #4 01-24-2005, 08:36 AM

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Raise the flop, if re-raised, call and call it down. If just called, bet out on the turn when he checks.

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Wow! That's aggressive. To aggressive IMO. With a bet and 3 calls and an ace on the board I would rather fold than raise.

zuluking · #5 01-24-2005, 08:37 AM

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Wow! That's aggressive. To aggressive IMO. With a bet and 3 calls and an ace on the board I would rather fold than raise.

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Thinking like that is weak/tight and will lose you money longterm.

Nick Royale · #6 01-24-2005, 08:41 AM

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Thinking like that is weak/tight and will lose you money longterm.

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I guess it's leak to fill for me. Definately a leak I wouldn't discovered by myself...

zuluking · #7 01-24-2005, 08:45 AM

Think of it this way:

What is more likely? That one of them has an ace or not? 3 aces left in the deck spread between 3 players. More often than not, they will NOT have an ace, so betting is called for.

easypete · #8 01-24-2005, 09:36 AM

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Wow! That's aggressive. To aggressive IMO. With a bet and 3 calls and an ace on the board I would rather fold than raise.

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Thinking like that is weak/tight and will lose you money longterm.

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OK.... here's one... happened to me last night (while watching my adopted Falcons lose)...

I have QQ in MP1 (PP 3/6 full). 2 limpers.. I raise MP2 (TA-A) 3bets, the button caps. I call....

5 see flop of A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] I have no hearts. UTG bets, UTG+1 calls... I fold... MP2 raises... yada yada yada.

Why did I fold? Because capped pf w/ 5 players and an Ace on board. I make this fold all day long. I'm behind to andy Ace, KK and potentially doomed to a flush.

UTG wins the pot, showing JJ. MHWHBG.

In retrospect, I should have raised and seen what the rest of the field did. I would have if there wasn't a call from UTG+1 and the pf 3-bettor and capper left to act. I wasn't going to see the turn with the threat of the flop capping.

Oh well... I posted that just to illustrate that aces are not always out there, even with major pf action.

While my hand was a clear fold, I believe that this hand should have been played differently. I would have raised here for a free card on the turn to see the showdown cheap. Since you didn't and it was checked to you, I would have bet the turn. If you get any calls on the turn, check behind on the river.

pointcount · #9 01-24-2005, 08:35 AM

BB sure looks like he's going for a flush draw on the flop and turn maybe bluffing the river? I raise this flop and bet the turn. At least if you are 3-bet and bet into on the turn you can fold quite confidently.

moot · #10 01-24-2005, 09:10 AM

That's assuming no hand discretion whatsoever. Poor low limit players are much more likely to play a hand if it has an A in it than not. They are also likely to call down when they hit their Ax hand.

If you can't detach yourself from the hand then I raise the flop. If reraised I call and then fold the turn unimproved. If I'm smooth called it's likely to be checked to me on the turn, at which point I probably bet and then let the river get checked down if I feel strongly that I'm beat by a weak ace that won't fold. If bet into on the turn after my raise on the flop, I fold unimproved.