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Should I have slow played this flopped top 2pr?
$5 + $0.50 Sit & Go (1014287), Table 1 - 20/40 - No Limit Hold'em - 0:13:26 ET - 2005/07/23
Seat 1: The Degenerate (1,350) Seat 2: Joe DAgostino (1,495) Seat 3: bwconvention (1,635) Seat 4: bendejo106 (2,280) Seat 5: wikkiwikki (1,515) Seat 6: soulsurfer (2,255) Seat 8: dj9033 (1,980) Seat 9: The Rube (990) Joe DAgostino posts the small blind of 20 bwconvention posts the big blind of 40 The button is in seat #1 *** HOLE CARDS *** Dealt to bwconvention [Td Js] bendejo106 folds wikkiwikki folds soulsurfer folds dj9033 calls 40 The Rube folds The Degenerate folds Joe DAgostino calls 20 bwconvention checks *** FLOP *** [Tc Jd 5d] Joe DAgostino checks bwconvention checks dj9033 bets 40 Joe DAgostino calls 40 bwconvention calls 40 *** TURN *** [Tc Jd 5d] [6s] Joe DAgostino checks bwconvention checks dj9033 bets 80 Joe DAgostino calls 80 bwconvention calls 80 *** RIVER *** [Tc Jd 5d 6s] [9s] Joe DAgostino checks bwconvention bets 480 dj9033 calls 480 Joe DAgostino raises to 960 bwconvention raises to 1,475, and is all in dj9033 folds Joe DAgostino calls 375, and is all in Uncalled bet of 140 returned to bwconvention *** SHOW DOWN *** bwconvention shows [Td Js] (two pair, Jacks and Tens) Joe DAgostino shows [Ks Qs] (a straight, King high) Joe DAgostino wins the pot (3,630) with a straight, King high *** SUMMARY *** I "let" him hit his straight. What would you have done instead? |
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Re: Should I have slow played this flopped top 2pr?
No way in hell. Bet the flop or check-raise it. I think betting's better.
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Re: Should I have slow played this flopped top 2pr?
Ok i realized my mistake right away obvously, what would you
have bet on the flop? |
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Re: Should I have slow played this flopped top 2pr?
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Ok i realized my mistake right away obvously, what would you have bet on the flop? [/ QUOTE ] T100 |
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Re: Should I have slow played this flopped top 2pr?
Although, our villian wasn't getting the right price to play to the open-ender with two over cards (especially since there were 2 spades). Or am I wrong here?
If you read the villian as a good player who is predictable, I wouldn't have put him on the str8 either. Still, not that I am the expert or anything, but your play seems a little weak-tight. |
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Re: Should I have slow played this flopped top 2pr?
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Although, our villian wasn't getting the right price to play to the open-ender with two over cards (especially since there were 2 spades). Or am I wrong here? If you read the villian as a good player who is predictable, I wouldn't have put him on the str8 either. [/ QUOTE ] The pot+implied odds are way more than enough for some random fish in a $5+0.5. And for a better player too. Why would you read the villain "as a good player who is predictable"? [ QUOTE ] Still, not that I am the expert or anything, but your play seems a little weak-tight. [/ QUOTE ] How come? Would you bet more? Betting 100 is enough to not give straight/flush or straight-flush draws good enough odds I believe. It's easy to see if they hit it. |
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Re: Should I have slow played this flopped top 2pr?
Good point. Predictable <> good player.
Not sure about the implied odds (even for a good player) though. Villian isn't going for the 2nd nut flush, just st8. |
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Re: Should I have slow played this flopped top 2pr?
Dunno if everyone will agree, but I'd bet the pot or even overbet it (120-150). And keep up the aggression on a safe turn. Another pot-ish sized bet, perhaps. In a party game I might push, or bet enough to commit myself; here you have too many chips. But yeah, the answer to the "do I slowplay [insert anything but a dominating hand that your opponets have an extremely thin chance of drawing out on but a decent chance of making second-best hands]?" is, in my experience, no. You've got to play two-pair strong because it's not a lock, and if you get drawn out on it will often cost you.
Edit: HA, now I'm an enthusiast, word |
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Re: Should I have slow played this flopped top 2pr?
Oh dear. Of course you shouldn't slow play top 2 on a 2-colored JTx board against two opponents. Bet the flop, reraise if raised. If not, bet the turn. And bet big, at least near the pot sized. On the river, why on earth are you reraising when the straight has been completed and the guy who's been check/calling all the way wakes up?? This is poor playing on all the streets except preflop. [img]/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]
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Re: Should I have slow played this flopped top 2pr?
check/calling the flop is a no-no.
check/raising would be my line. though it caries some risk no one will open, i would still give the lone non-blind a chance to represent something (and probably kick myself, having to give up the hand when a scare card hits - when he doesn't open). given the opportunity, you have to raise it hard. you have a straight, a flush, and a straight+flush draw on the board. given the unlikelyhood of the ladder, you'll still need to raise it at least to t300 or so. if you get called it's a little trickier. the turn you were gifted here is an auto-push on what should have been an extremely large pot (had you raised the flop). there are a TON of cards out there that can kill you - and only 4 that give you the nut. you are giving must-call odds to any drawer here. |
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