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Totally lost TPWK - weird hand
No reads - I'm new to the table and have never played with any of these guys before. That's what I get for not playing poker for two weeks. For some reason I felt like a deer trapped in the headlights on this hand. It was something about his bet sizes or something. What do you guys think?
Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (6 max, 6 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx CO ($134) TWP ($394) SB ($235.10) BB ($369) UTG ($340.34) MP ($124.12) Preflop: TWP is Button with 7[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $2. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, CO calls $4, <font color="#CC3333">TWP raises to $15</font>, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, BB calls $11, CO folds. Flop: ($36) 5[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $14</font>, TWP calls $14. Turn: ($64) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $50</font>, TWP calls $50. River: ($164) T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">BB bets $65</font>, TWP calls $65. Final Pot: $294 |
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Re: Totally lost TPWK - weird hand
well hello calling station
I probably raise that flop and then get out if the turn doesn't help me |
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Re: Totally lost TPWK - weird hand
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well hello calling station I probably raise that flop and then get out if the turn doesn't help me [/ QUOTE ] I agree this line seems best. When BB calls the raise out of postion I think you must put him on a strong hand. Unless your image says otherwise, there is no reason for the BB to call OOP. Raise 50 then shut down if he calls. |
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Re: Totally lost TPWK - weird hand
I think I throw in a raise on the flop to try and take this down and if he bets into me again on the turn (w/o improving) I probably fold.
Definitely a weird hand, one that I also have trouble with and what makes playing suited one gappers and suited connecters difficult to play when you raise and hit TP instead of a sweet draw. |
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Re: Totally lost TPWK - weird hand
Does anyone have any experience with these bet sizes in this situation? What do you think they mean? He bets tiny on the flop, reasonable on the turn, and then small again on the river? Weird. And I viewed a flop raise as a bluff essentially, so I wasn't too happy about it, but I didn't want to fold, but I don't really like my call...I suck at poker.
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Re: Totally lost TPWK - weird hand
unfortunately, I have had experiences where that exact pattern is a sign of strength, and I have had experiences where that exact pattern is a sign of weakness...its really hard to tell just from the text
I think calling down the whole way is way too much spewing...I'd prefer to raise, figure out where I'm at, and cut my losses right there, or take it down. If I end up hitting my flush, then I make a nice pot. |
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Re: Totally lost TPWK - weird hand
These bet sizes often mean that, on the flop you didn't raise so you must have high cards that haven't paired yet peeling one off. On the low turn, he bets bigger to make you fold said big cards but you don't do it. On the river, he wants to showdown cheapish because he has no freaking idea what you have but has something with showdown value himself. You are rarely ahead on the end but every once in a while they'll show you a small pocket pair.
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Re: Totally lost TPWK - weird hand
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These bet sizes often mean that, on the flop you didn't raise so you must have high cards that haven't paired yet peeling one off. On the low turn, he bets bigger to make you fold said big cards but you don't do it. On the river, he wants to showdown cheapish because he has no freaking idea what you have but has something with showdown value himself. You are rarely ahead on the end but every once in a while they'll show you a small pocket pair. [/ QUOTE ] I feel like this sittuation is either a mild hand looking for a showdown, like you describe, or something like 89s or 88's that put out a feeler on the flop and is then looking for value on turn and river. |
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Re: Totally lost TPWK - weird hand
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These bet sizes often mean that, on the flop you didn't raise so you must have high cards that haven't paired yet peeling one off. On the low turn, he bets bigger to make you fold said big cards but you don't do it. On the river, he wants to showdown cheapish because he has no freaking idea what you have but has something with showdown value himself. You are rarely ahead on the end but every once in a while they'll show you a small pocket pair. [/ QUOTE ] ghazban reads hands well... i'd probably raise the river as a value bluff |
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Re: Totally lost TPWK - weird hand
looks like a small pocket pair or an OESD on the flop. I think this is the nl equivalent of when calling just can't be right. I raise the flop but the turn is gonna suck if he smooth calls me.
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