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Old 11-11-2005, 02:36 PM
TemetNosce TemetNosce is offline
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Default Heads Up with AA: FPS or Correct?

Played correctly or FPS?

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
4 folds, Hero raises, 1 fold, CO 3-bets, 3 folds, Hero calls.

Flop: (7.50 SB) J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero calls.

Turn: (4.75 BB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img](2 players)
Hero checks, CO bets, Hero raises, CO calls.

River: (8.75 BB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets, CO raises, Hero calls.

Final Pot: 12.75 BB
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Old 11-11-2005, 02:37 PM
W. Deranged W. Deranged is offline
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Default Re: Heads Up with AA: FPS or Correct?

Cap pre-flop and bet all the way. Don't put yourself in a position where you allow no bets to go in on a street.

So, yes, this is the definition of FPS.
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Old 11-14-2005, 07:39 AM
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Default Re: Heads Up with AA: FPS or Correct?

misplayed on every street? slow play is wrong play generally. an overpair to a single villian is still dangerous. win a small pot instead of loosing a big one. cap preflop. show aggression and slow down when met. check and call to river. donk may have hit a set or two pair. the joy of NL and pushing PF is you dont have to play guessing games post flop. get your money in when you have the best of it. if donk wants to chase, variance will always determine the long term winnner.
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Old 11-14-2005, 07:44 AM
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Default Re: Heads Up with AA: FPS or Correct?

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misplayed on every street? slow play is wrong play generally. an overpair to a single villian is still dangerous. win a small pot instead of loosing a big one. cap preflop. show aggression and slow down when met. check and call to river. donk may have hit a set or two pair. the joy of NL and pushing PF is you dont have to play guessing games post flop. get your money in when you have the best of it. if donk wants to chase, variance will always determine the long term winnner.

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This advice is disgustingly wrong.


Your play in the AA hand is fine, given you have a read that your opponent is indeed aggressive. I would probably have threebet the river.

It's usually better though, to cap without position and be more deceptive when you have position. But this is fine as long as it's a mix-up play, rather than your standard play.
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Old 11-14-2005, 02:02 PM
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Don't put yourself in a position where you allow no bets to go in on a street.

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this can't be right
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Old 11-11-2005, 02:38 PM
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Default Re: Heads Up with AA: FPS or Correct?

This line is fine HU. How bad is it that I want to 3-bet the river?
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Old 11-11-2005, 02:40 PM
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This line is fine HU. How bad is it that I want to 3-bet the river?

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It's fine except for those times villain checks behind the turn and you lose tons and tons of value.

Only take this line if you KNOW villain will bet both the flop and turn when checked to. And, even then, capping and betting all the way may make it harder for villain to find a good fold.
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Old 11-11-2005, 02:43 PM
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This line is fine HU. How bad is it that I want to 3-bet the river?

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I really want to also. She could be holding a hand like AK and suspect a river bluff. Maybe AJs or something like that. KK/QQ are very likely possibilities, and JJ,44,22 are mathematically less likely.

I'd probably lead this flop and hope to get raised, so I could go for the c/r on the turn. Similar to your line but I get an extra bet in on the flop.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:12 PM
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This line is fine HU. How bad is it that I want to 3-bet the river?

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I really want to also. She could be holding a hand like AK and suspect a river bluff. Maybe AJs or something like that. KK/QQ are very likely possibilities, and JJ,44,22 are mathematically less likely.

I'd probably lead this flop and hope to get raised, so I could go for the c/r on the turn. Similar to your line but I get an extra bet in on the flop.

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I think it's very important to realize that if you don't capp pre-flop bet-calling the flop becomes much, much better than check-calling.

Another thing we can consider is check-raising the flop, hoping to get three-bet, and check-raising again on the turn. Then check-raise the river and open a bottle of champagne. Obviously that line requires an opponent who's betting pretty much automatically when checked.
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Old 11-11-2005, 03:55 PM
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Another thing we can consider is check-raising the flop, hoping to get three-bet, and check-raising again on the turn. Then check-raise the river and open a bottle of champagne. Obviously that line requires an opponent who's betting pretty much automatically when checked.

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Good lord, man, do you realize how "changed" you are in the last several weeks? I was going to comment on this a week or 2 ago but this post puts you over the top! [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img] [img]/images/graemlins/wink.gif[/img]
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