Two heads up hands

citanul · #1 07-13-2005, 12:20 PM

Opponent is a very good 2+2er. Has pushed something like 5/6 sb hands so far.

Hero has been tight, not by his own volition, but that should be his image at the moment "too tight." Hero has not yet pushed heads up.

Stacks even, blinds 250/500.
Two hands in a row:

hand 1:
Opponent pushes, hero has J7s, and ...?

hand 2:
hero has Q4o, hero ...?

citanul

Phill S · #2 07-13-2005, 12:40 PM

Didnt some mod on this forum point someone to a 'what is a hand' post not too long ago. In it it had a list of info about which we can give informed answers.

Now, we have your cards, blinds and your reads, but what we are missing is buy in, and by definition stack sizes (800 chip game, 1000 chip game?).

Welcome to the forum, i hope you learn the search function then i wouldnt need to point stuff like this out.

Phill

citanul · #3 07-13-2005, 12:47 PM

sorry about that [img]/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img] in actuality i guess since there *may* be some kind of adjustments to be made for the payout structure, i should give more information:

it's a step 5, so there's 10,000 chips in play.

payouts are nets of 1435 and 3435 for 2nd/1st respectively.

mlagoo · #4 07-13-2005, 12:42 PM

First off, I can't imagine going 11/12 hands heads up (getting this from villian's SB pushes) at 250/500 (and whatever the previous blind was) without pushing -- i don't think i've ever been on a run of cards that bad. were you saying he had pushed that many sb hands from the time you had got down to 4 handed or so? i may be misunderstanding something.

apart from that, I don't think I can call the allin with jack high. while you're probably about even with his range of hands (read: any two cards), I just think this is a much better pushing hand than calling hand. obviously.

I'd push Q4 here. obviously a dog to most hands that would call, but given the great amount of FE you have, seems like a borderline push. especially given your tight image.

Shillx · #5 07-13-2005, 12:52 PM

Q4o is a fold if you turned your hand face up. I would guess that it is worth ~14 SB against a random hand, so you would be forced to fold since you are sitting on 19 SB. At game speed I'm pushing with it though since my opponent probably isn't going to call me with some better queens and some weak kings. In a real game against an opponent who can find a call, I would guess that it is worth about 20 SB. I push here.

I would fold J7s in your spot against an opponent moving in with 80-85% of his hands, but I think that it is super close. It is probably even +EV to call there but I never do. Leak?

Brad

Phill S · #6 07-13-2005, 01:08 PM

Whilst i cant disagree with your analysis, im mucking both hands.

Q4 cos you still have enough chips to look for better opportunies.

J7s prolly does well against his range, but again, plenty of chips. Your worth more than that hand.

Phill

Phil Van Sexton · #7 07-13-2005, 02:11 PM

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Whilst i cant disagree with your analysis, im mucking both hands.

Q4 cos you still have enough chips to look for better opportunies.

J7s prolly does well against his range, but again, plenty of chips. Your worth more than that hand.

Phill

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People would really fold Q4 after not having pushed even once when heads-up?

Given the description, I'm pushing almost any hand here.

I don't think there's any reason to consider calling J7s in the first hand.

tigerite · #8 07-13-2005, 02:16 PM

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Whilst i cant disagree with your analysis, im mucking both hands.

Q4 cos you still have enough chips to look for better opportunies.

J7s prolly does well against his range, but again, plenty of chips. Your worth more than that hand.

Phill

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People would really fold Q4 after not having pushed even once when heads-up?

Given the description, I'm pushing almost any hand here.

I don't think there's any reason to consider calling J7s in the first hand.

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Yep, that was exactly my thinking. If you don't push Q4o, what DO you push?

citanul · #9 07-13-2005, 02:18 PM

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Yep, that was exactly my thinking. If you don't push Q4o, what DO you push?

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wiggs73 · #10 07-13-2005, 01:49 PM

I'd probably fold both of these with the intention of pushing the next hand with any 2.

Edit: This is assuming your stack is beginning to get small from the "too tight" play. If you somehow started with a huge advantage, then you probably don't need to push the next hand. With blinds where they are though, and assuming your stack is getting in the 3000 - 3500 range, I'd probably be pushing most anything to keep from getting blinded too far down. Also your pushes should get some respect if you've been playing tight.