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An interesting spot
online $15-30 game, I raise in MP with A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]K [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], laggy CO calls, loose, passive, extremely straightforward BB 3-bets, I cap, Lag calls, BB calls.
3 to the flop for 12.5 sbs: Q [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. BB checks, I bet, Lag folds, BB raises. Now, folding is out, but what do we think if our options here. If you want to call say why its better than raising, if you would. If you want to raise, please say why. |
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Re: An interesting spot
Call. You will still have odds to draw to your guthot + tainted overs on the turn and there is a very strong chance your 3-bet will get capped.
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Re: An interesting spot
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Call. You will still have odds to draw to your guthot + tainted overs on the turn and there is a very strong chance your 3-bet will get capped. [/ QUOTE ] I think from a straightforward player a check-raise sometimes is actually not that aggressive a move; namely, bet-three-betting is more aggressive. Villain may check-raise because he doesn't have enough hand to bet-three-bet. I also think that there's a chance villain would call a flop three-bet and plan on check-raising the turn. Either way, I think that there's a pretty reasonable chance that this flop is not getting capped. Even still, I find it hard to develop any major opinion about this hand. Everything seems to kind of balance out. In general, my rule for free card situations like this is that you have to be right 2/3 of the time for them to be a good idea (because you pay 1 BB extra when you get capped and led into, and save .5 BB when you raise and get a free card). It all really comes down to what you think Mr. Straightforward will do. |
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Re: An interesting spot
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In general, my rule for free card situations like this is that you have to be right 2/3 of the time for them to be a good idea (because you pay 1 BB extra when you get capped and led into, and save .5 BB when you raise and get a free card). [/ QUOTE ] So, if you cap and he bets you're calling the turn? |
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Re: An interesting spot
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[ QUOTE ] In general, my rule for free card situations like this is that you have to be right 2/3 of the time for them to be a good idea (because you pay 1 BB extra when you get capped and led into, and save .5 BB when you raise and get a free card). [/ QUOTE ] So, if you cap and he bets you're calling the turn? [/ QUOTE ] If he caps and you call and he bets the turn, there will be 11 BB in the pot. Meaning you have to call just to hit the miracle J (assuming the turn doesn't pair the board... if it does, I think that swings it to a fold). |
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Re: An interesting spot
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[ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] In general, my rule for free card situations like this is that you have to be right 2/3 of the time for them to be a good idea (because you pay 1 BB extra when you get capped and led into, and save .5 BB when you raise and get a free card). [/ QUOTE ] So, if you cap and he bets you're calling the turn? [/ QUOTE ] If he caps and you call and he bets the turn, there will be 11 BB in the pot. Meaning you have to call just to hit the miracle J (assuming the turn doesn't pair the board... if it does, I think that swings it to a fold). [/ QUOTE ] How about this for a twist, what if the turn is the K [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] and the villain bets. That makes for a more interesting decision. TT [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] PS: Will - AC this weekend if you are not going to Vegas. |
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Re: An interesting spot
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If he caps and you call and he bets the turn, there will be 11 BB in the pot. Meaning you have to call just to hit the miracle J (assuming the turn doesn't pair the board... if it does, I think that swings it to a fold). [/ QUOTE ] ARGGGGGRHRHHHHHH. This whole entire hand is wrong. Here's how it went down: I raised pre-flop, both called. [censored], I'm so sorry. This was all wrong. There's 6.5 sbs in the pot. I bet, strightfoward passive BB check-raises. I ? (Again, I'm sorry, this is just so, so wrong.) |
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Re: An interesting spot
meh.
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Re: An interesting spot
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meh. [/ QUOTE ] raise. if he bets into you on the turn, call. then fold UI. |
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Re: An interesting spot
I want to call.
I think we have an equity disadvantage, we have little if any folding equity, and BB may have a good enough hand that we're not getting a free card on the turn (unless he tries to checkraise again). I don't know. I hardly ever make heads-up free-card raises anymore, and I don't see much in the way of other potential benefits, in this particular spot. If my 3-bet were a cap instead, I might give the play a little more consideration, but I think I'd still decide against it. |
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