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KQs runs into super TAG
Villan is 16/11/6
a bit over agro but hasn't shown anything out of line either, seems to be a tag running hot. Do you 3-bet that flop, do you even want to go to showdown here? If so how do you want to get there? Coments on all streets welcome Paradise Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is UTG+2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]. UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, 1 fold, MP2 3-bets, 1 fold, CO calls, 2 folds, BB calls, UTG calls, Hero calls. Flop: (15.50 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (5 players) BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, MP2 raises, CO calls, BB folds, UTG folds, Hero ? |
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Re: KQs runs into super TAG
grunch
3-betting this flop doesn't do anything for you. CO is apparently never folding (3 cold preflop followed by 2 cold on the flop already), and Villain will 4-bet with both hands you beat (AQ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]/AJ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]/QQ/JJ) and hands you don't (AA/KK/AK/KQ). So i would just call now and re-evaluate the turn. I donk most turns to prevent giving a free card (especially with CO hanging around), then call down. Villain might raise with QQ/JJ trying to knock out/charge CO. |
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Re: KQs runs into super TAG
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grunch 3-betting this flop gains a lot of value because CO is apparently never folding (3 cold preflop followed by 2 cold on the flop already), and Villain will 4-bet with both hands you beat (AQ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]/AJ[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]/QQ/JJ) and hands you don't (AA/KK/AK/KQ). [/ QUOTE ] FYP? I like that you are going to donk bet a lot of turns though, if you do choose to call. -eric |
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Re: KQs runs into super TAG
I'd check/call the turn and bet the river. He seems the type to fire again on the turn with a pocket pair or something like A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], and even if not he'll probably call a river bet with something like JJ. I don't like donking the turn since the pot will be like 13BB if he raises and I'd hate folding in a pot that big.
Edit: I didn't notice the 3rd guy cold calling on the flop. I kind of like a turn donk now since a free card is more disastrous than if we're heads up against a likely way behind hand, and the PRRer is probably les likely to raise unless we're way behind since he's got to worry about the other guy. Then again we'll be getting like 14-1 if he does raise, I'm guessing we have 3 effective outs if that happens. |
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Re: KQs runs into super TAG
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I'd check/call the turn and bet the river. [/ QUOTE ] bet/? the river. I can't see those stats raising anything we'd beat. Assuming turn and river are UI of course. |
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Re: KQs runs into super TAG
If it's still 3 handed I like a bet/fold on the river. I don't know if I could lay it down heads up getting like 15 to 1, but I think that's probably the best move, we've gotta put a bet in on the river and we're usually badly beaten when we check/call, so I guess bet/fold whether heads up or 3 way.
By the way, on the turn we have like 3.6 effective outs if he we donk bet and he raises and we put him on either AK, AA, or KK and ignore what the other guy has, so I don't really like donking there now as we'll have to call the raise. |
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Re: KQs runs into super TAG
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If it's still 3 handed I like a bet/fold on the river. [/ QUOTE ] Your opponent is really aggressive. Are you sure you want to put yourself in a position to be outplayed for 1 bet on the river? -eric |
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Re: KQs runs into super TAG
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Edit: I didn't notice the 3rd guy cold calling on the flop. I kind of like a turn donk now since a free card is more disastrous than if we're heads up against a likely way behind hand, and the PRRer is probably les likely to raise unless we're way behind since he's got to worry about the other guy. Then again we'll be getting like 14-1 if he does raise, I'm guessing we have 3 effective outs if that happens. [/ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] If it's still 3 handed I like a bet/fold on the river. I don't know if I could lay it down heads up getting like 15 to 1, but I think that's probably the best move, we've gotta put a bet in on the river and we're usually badly beaten when we check/call, so I guess bet/fold whether heads up or 3 way. By the way, on the turn we have like 3.6 effective outs if he we donk bet and he raises and we put him on either AK, AA, or KK and ignore what the other guy has, so I don't really like donking there now as we'll have to call the raise. [/ QUOTE ] I think Sharpie is spot on here. If it were 3-handed or HU on that turn, I would check-call as he'll often to continue bet his flush draw anyway. However, 4-handed he will take a free card with the flush draw. If raised, folding is not an option at this point given the size of the pot. The river I agree that with a check-call we are almost never good. |
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Re: KQs runs into super TAG
I like a 3-bet because
a) the raiser is aggressive enough that you beat a lot of his holdings b) there's a 3rd player in the hand who you very likely beat, so it is not a time to get timid and give free / cheap cards, especially since you are now getting 2:1 on your raises for value good luck. eric |
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Re: KQs runs into super TAG
*grunch*
You have TPMK and 4-4.5 Outs if you are behind a K with a better Kicker and 6-6.5 Outs if you are behind AA. The Pot is huge so you won't protect your hand by reraising him. I would call the flop, lead the turn. If villain raises again und CO cold calls AGAIN, I guess your split Ks could be behind. I'd probably fold the Turn if I haven't improved then. Villain might be playing QQ or JJ aggressivly, hoping you had AQs or AQo or something like that since you didn't cap preflop. Without reads I'm more concerned about CO. He cold called 3 pf and 2 on the flop. Unless he is a poor player, he might have a draw or a good king and it looks like you aren't able to make him fold. |
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