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Someone explain this to me
CO raises, button calls, SB calls (2/3 structure), why is it bad for me to call with 69o in the BB? How can this possibly be -EV for me? Real explanations please.
Also, apparently K4o is not a 3-betting hand from the SB? And not a defense hand from the BB vs a button raise? Come on. I guess I am a gigantic LAG compared to the rest of you. |
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Re: Someone explain this to me
To me this is a pretty standard call. Especially if play lots better than opponents post flop. Why do you or others think this is bad?
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Re: Someone explain this to me
People in IRC are telling me it is a horrible call and everyone tells me I am too loose.
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Re: Someone explain this to me
I am like 30/22-20 with the 2/3 structure shorthanded and I make this call all the time. My PT stats have you as 30/20 at AP after like 250 hands so IMO that isnt too loose.
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Re: Someone explain this to me
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People in IRC are telling me it is a horrible call and everyone tells me I am too loose. [/ QUOTE ] you are too loose. this call is not why. i dontt hink its a profitable call overall but against vvv bad players id make it b/c i like playing pots w/ bad players. Barron |
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Re: Someone explain this to me
calling with 96o sucks because 96o sucks. what do you like about this hand? the fact that it can make a straight if an 8 and a 7 happen to flop?
i think the K4o is close and i would play it in some cases. i think 3-betting it from the SB is pretty retarded though. |
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Re: Someone explain this to me
K4o is most definitely not a 3 betting hand from the SB. It is trash. Probably has less than 50% equity v a random hand! + you are not facing a random hand and are OOP and have to worry about BB too.
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Re: Someone explain this to me
96o
Let's look at your gutshots, which is one of the better scenarios. Suppose you flop a gutshot. Looks like this is a favorable scenario for 96o because you have odds to call, right? Except in reality, looking at the whole hand, you put in a bet preflop and a bet on the flop (assuming it's only one SB on the flop, doubtful since everyone 3 people seem to like their hands preflop). So you're really putting in 2 bets to win 10. Apologies if this is simplistic but a lot of otherwise good players on these boards seem to misunderstand the concept of giving themselves "odds to call". Let's look at your straight. You need an 87. There are a lot of ways your opponents can make a higher straight. Let's look at your pairs. You're not winning with a pair of 6's, and there's a good chance someone has a higher kicker on their 9. There's a good chance a lot of cards you like (8,9,T) are dead, and with the cold calling, there's some chance of someone having 77, 88, 99, making your hand really suck. In short, there's very few flops where you think you're ahead or have the best draw, and you can expect the action to put you to the test. Edit: Also, your two pair could be counterfeited. Just call me gloomy gus. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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Re: Someone explain this to me
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CO raises, button calls, SB calls (2/3 structure), why is it bad for me to call with 69o in the BB? How can this possibly be -EV for me? Real explanations please. [/ QUOTE ] Would you call 27o? I have a hard time arguing against it really since I have a similar question in the Theory section on BB defense, but I just can't see playing 69o against 3 other players unless I flop 2 pair/trips or a straight draw and that just doesn't happen often enough to justify the call. In 10-handed, if you know 6 people are going to be in the pot, do you call 69o? SSH says no despite the monster odds being lain. The reasoning is the same I'd guess. |
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Re: Someone explain this to me
I don't think it's horrible, but I doubt its +EV unless your opponents CC'ing standards are v loose or they suck bad. 96o isn't strong in high card power or connectedness and isn't suited, so it really doesnt have much going for it. with 3-coldcallers you could likely be reverse-dominated, and playing one pair on some boards, while you have good relative position, won't be very easy.
SB 3-betting K4o against a standard button open is really bad. BB defending K4o, is at the lower end of what my BB defending range is but I think calling vs button steal is fine. |
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