For AndyFox et.al.

[AmericanAirlines]

Hi AndyFox,
Here's an article I thought you might find interesting.

Capitalism Magazine
Racism in Congress: The Black Caucus
by Ron Pisaturo (December 23, 2002)
http://www.capmag.com/article.asp?ID=2286

Summary: Why do 38 Congressmen racially segregate themselves
into the “Black Caucus,” which shamelessly calls itself
“the premier power group in the U.S. House of Representatives”?
Because they are racist.

And a quick scan on google for "Black Caucus" found a much larger list than just those below. Still want to argue that the trend in racism isn't anti-white? If we recreated all the organizations with "White" in the title there'd be an outcry of "Nazism".

National Society of Black Engineers:
Black Caucus of the American Library Association
Official Home Page of the Congressional Black Caucus
California Legislative Black Caucus
The National Black Caucus of State Legislators :
California Librarians Black Caucus (CLBC)
Louisiana Legislative Black Caucus Home Page
Official Homepage of the Congressional Black Caucus of the 108th ...
Sponsored by the Black Caucus of NCTE and by NCTE
Michigan Legislative Black Caucus

[scalf]

[img]/forums/images/icons/smirk.gif[/img] but , aa, dontcha know blacks deserve reparations because of the evil of slavery, and they deserve special treatment, because they cannot make it on their own...it is the white man's burden....suck it up... [img]/forums/images/icons/crazy.gif[/img] [img]/forums/images/icons/club.gif[/img]

[andyfox]

Groups that have been singled out for special mistreatment historically have organized themselves to watch out for their interests. If there were no anti-black racism in the United States, there would never have been a need for a Congressional Black Caucus. If women were treated fairly, there would never have been a need for the National Organization for Women. If Jews had been treated fairly there would never have been a need for the ADL.

White supremicist groups want to treat blacks like second class citizens. Groups like the Congressional Black Caucus want to assure that blacks are not treated like second class citizens.

Groups such as the Congressional Black Caucus are needed because of people like you, who don't want to live near blacks or eat in restaurants where they eat. And who don't want to have to let blacks live where they want to live or eat where they want to eat merely because they are black. And who don't want them to be on television, because they're being forced down your throat.

The reason that black groups are trying to instill pride in being black is because for so many years people like you have made them feel ashamed of being black.

Just to make sure I'm not wrong about what I think that you think: I am interpreting your past posts to indicate that you do not think the government should not allow you to disciminate against blacks (or any other racial or ethnic group). If you don't want to rent an apartment you own to blacks or Jews or Arabs simply because they are black or Jewish or Arab, or let them eat in a resstaurant you own, that should be your business. Correct?

[John Cole]

Andy,

See, you just have to form the groups without the tell-tale signs of race; then, of course, it's perfectly fine. Now we know the Daughters of the American Revolution really don't need "White" in front of their name. Oh, and their little gaff with "African" music? Well, that was a long time ago, and nobody remembers Marian Anderson these days. Do they?

John

[Michael Davis]

"nobody remembers Marian Anderson these days."

How could we forget the crack-smoking Washington mayor?

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[Cyrus]

Nobody would've thought of calling organisations such as NAACP racist a few decades ago. The fact that there's merit to this discussion now, implies that the black sector of American Society has made (or, more importantly, is perceived to have made) great strides in social advancement. Personally, I don't think that the phenomenon is indicative of racist resurgence in the U.S. because the public has been accustomed to more "advanced" social spectacles (e.g. Wesley Snipes French-kissing a White Girl), and not just in movies or sports.

So, while it was grudgingly acceptable some decades ago to give the lower strata some leeway or even an extra crutch to help 'em along, it is now to a lot of people bothersome, irrititating and even unjust to still be helping those folks out.

This IMHO is just an indication that the perception, at the very least (arguably, the reality is different), of Blacks in American society have changed. If anything, the perception has become more polarized : Blacks are either Michael Jordans, and why should multi-millionaire jocks be financially supported, or crack-dealing single-mother-makin' rappers, and why should anyone support them??

[AmericanAirlines]

Hi Cyrus,
Your perception of the polarization is quite good.

As for the "Super Star Blacks". Are they not an example of why affirmative action is not required? Clearly thier children have access to the same education as any whites.

As for the Single-Mother-Making version. I believe there *is* some statistical truth to this. I heard Pat Buchanan say on TV that out of wedlock birth rate for blacks is around 70%, compared to 23% for whites. That's about 3 times as bad for the blacks.

So the problem I see is that Hollywood makes it look OK for Lexa Doig to kiss a black guy passionately (or Madonna for that matter) and the white girls buy into the Hollywood version, expecting black men to be like the super stars... but get Homie the crack dealer.

So the glamorization of black men on white women trend in the media will cause the problems caused by black males to cross over into the white (and possibly asian) groups.

This is not a good thing.

For whatever reasons... seems I see a lot of black guy on white women scenes in stuff produced by Jay Firestone and Adam Haight.

Sincerely,
AA

[andyfox]

"the problems caused by black males to cross over into the white (and possibly asian) groups. This is not a good thing."

An excellent summary of your philosophy.

[AmericanAirlines]

Hi John,
Tell me about the gaff with african music and Marian Anderson. Don't know anything about it.

Sincerely,
AA

[andyfox]

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/eleanor...s/pande06.html