Horrible board, massive pot

Table is full of standard 30 – 40vpip type players, no one unusually aggressive or anything.

Hero is MP with Jc Jd.
UTG limps, EP limps, Hero Raises, MP+1 cc’s, MP+2 reraises, BB calls, all call (18 SB’s)
Flop: 6c 7d 8d. UTG checks, EP bets, hero raises, ALL CC! (36SB’s)

Turn: 2c. checked to hero who bets, 4 callers (23BB’s)

River: 4h (Yuk!) EP Bets, hero… (looks very nervously at the 2 people still to play)

edit: actually I don't know why I'm asking what to do cos it's pretty bleeding obvious that hero has to call here.

Hero calls, MP+ 1 raises (sigh), 2 folds, EP calls, hero... calls and hates himself?

[spydog]

Cap preflop.

Call the river. If it is 2 bets back to you then fold. Otherwise, I still call 1 more in this pot.

[WriterBoy]

Cap those jacks preflop, and then whitewater that all the way down to the river. With a pot that large, you are making a mistake by folding, even if you think/know you're behind.

You cannot fold in the river with this big pot!!!!!!!

[shant]

I know that's what they say, but how often are you good here? Is MP1 bluffraising a bet and a call on the river with A8? Also, what's the other guy waking up with?

[yellowjack]

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Cap preflop.

Call the river. If it is 2 bets back to you then fold. Otherwise, I still call 1 more in this pot.

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This sums it up well. We're capping because it's 6-way. If it were HU or 3-way, we might not cap.

[mute]

First off you should cap PF. JJ has a HUGE equity edge against 5 loose opponents.

I'm folding to the river raise. I think you are good here never.

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First off you should cap PF. JJ has a HUGE equity edge against 5 loose opponents.

I'm folding to the river raise. I think you are good here never.

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I cap it next time - fair enough.

You would be very surprised (as I was) with what both players were holding

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First off you should cap PF. JJ has a HUGE equity edge against 5 loose opponents.

I'm folding to the river raise. I think you are good here never.

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I might just point out that SSH hand charts only recommend 4 betting AA-QQ and AKs, whether loose or tight...

[mute]

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I might just point out that SSH hand charts only recommend 4 betting AA-QQ and AKs, whether loose or tight...

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A chart can't take every possible scenario into consideration. I think most charts are only discussing your first action, so if you're faced with a 3-bet without having acted yet, it's telling you to fold (this may or may not be correct depending on who is doing the raising, and whether there are coldcallers or not. I'm probably still capping JJ and AKo most of the time against a standard Party lineup).

This situation is vastly different, though. You got five opponents, who are all loose. If you win the 1 out 6 times you are breaking even on your cap. I think you will do much better than that against this lineup.