|
#1
|
|||
|
|||
the merits of J 10 preflop
I am new to the game and still learning. In reading Abdul Jalib's "Hold'em Preflop Strategy According to Abdul," (at Posev), he essentially has no use for JT as hold cards. His continual remarks are "Fold. Dominated," and another one "Fold, unless you are a fish."
However, Lee Jones - who references Jalib's Posev in his book WLLH, likes JT, suited or not. "Either suited or unsuited, it has some unique properties: it makes the most possible straights, all the straights it makes are the nuts, and when you make a straight with it you often get lots of action." As I am still learning and trying to learn as much as I can, I would love the board's insight. Thanks, Lebowski |
#2
|
|||
|
|||
Re: the merits of J 10 preflop
Good question. I'm not sure about the answer myself but I think I overvalue the hand as a result of the little write up it gets in WLLHE. Oh boy, it makes 4 straights and they're all the nuts, coooool. But then when you start playing it in LP you realize that those straights almost never come in and other than that its a VERY weak hand.
I'm getting very disillusioned with JTo. I hope others respond because its an interesting hand. EDIT: Try posting this in some other forums for more responses. I think micro, general, and even poker theory would all be good places for this. |
#3
|
|||
|
|||
Re: the merits of J 10 preflop
[ QUOTE ]
Oh boy, it makes 4 straights and they're all the nuts [/ QUOTE ] yeah I saw that part and blindly split at least twice, it was early for me, but I'm the same as you, I want to know what the REAL value of JTo is. Its the smallest non-suited connector I ever play and i think it costs me money. I play it like pocket small pairs, fit or fold. If I get the OESD I play on, if not I fold, and i wonder if just folding PF is a better plan? |
#4
|
|||
|
|||
Re: the merits of J 10 preflop
If I get the OESD I play on
Beginner's question: what is OESD? Thanks MKR |
#5
|
|||
|
|||
Re: the merits of J 10 preflop
OESD= Open-Ended Straight Draw
|
#6
|
|||
|
|||
Re: the merits of J 10 preflop
JTo is a pretty weak hand. Suited it's a little better, but except for being in LP after multiple limpers or in the blinds, it should be folded preflop most of the time.
The "unique characteristic" is, that if you use both cards to make a straight, it's always the nut straight and it makes more nut straights than any other hand. That, in and of itself, does not make JT a good hand. |
#7
|
|||
|
|||
Re: the merits of J 10 preflop
[ QUOTE ]
JTo is a pretty weak hand. Suited it's a little better, but except for being in LP after multiple limpers or in the blinds, it should be folded preflop most of the time. [/ QUOTE ] JTs is a pretty good hand, I think saying it should be folded preflop "most of the time" may be a little much. |
#8
|
|||
|
|||
Re: the merits of J 10 preflop
If the game is fairly passive, I'll limp from MP with it. In LP, I'll raise first-in or limp after limpers. I really don't like playing it from EP, and I generally don't like entering a pot first unless I raise (though there are exceptions).
Being suited only adds about 7% overall equity to a hand that, when you flop top pair, can be seriously dominated, and when you flop 2 pair is extremely vulnerable to draws. JTs may be the most over-rated hand in HE. If you never played it outside the blinds and 2 or less off the button after multiple limpers, you would not be giving up very much EV. |
#9
|
|||
|
|||
Re: the merits of J 10 preflop
Suitedness does not add 7% equity unless I am misunderstanding what that statement means. I remember a study that Caro did in Card Play (I am pretty sure it was Caro) a few years ago that concluded suitedness adds about 3% more wins to a given hand. 3% is a lot in terms of a poker hand.
I will play JTs and 9Ts UTG in most games and I think I play too tight. I almost never play 9To or JTo though. |
#10
|
|||
|
|||
Re: the merits of J 10 preflop
The 7% figure I got from McEvoy.
|
|
|