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01-12-2005, 12:21 AM
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Is this legal?
I've played in a few live ring games in which this one guy has always lost terribly to me. Saw him out at a local bar one night and we struck up a conversation. I'd had a few beers and basically told him his playing skills were lacking. He smiled and asked if I played online poker (I don't). He proceeded to tell me that he has developed a method for winning big. He's a computer geek and is a sysop at a local company. He has over thirty computers at home that he plays online poker with. According to him, he signs on as 4 or 5 different players at a time under different accounts, and all of the "players" will play at one 8 handed table. Ergo, collusion with a twist. When he can see 4 hands at once, he's able to work it so one of his identities wins big. So - is this legal? Is it commonplace?
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#3
01-12-2005, 12:42 AM
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Re: Is this legal?
Well, I don't do online poker but, if I were in a live game and four players began showing their hands to each other I'd have to shoot a few kneecaps. If I had control of 4 of the 8 (or 10, or however many) hands, the other players are going to lose their money to me. If a good player were doing that to me, there would be no way of beating him/her. I guess that I'm just a little naive to online poker.
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#4
01-12-2005, 01:00 AM
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Re: Is this legal?
people try it. people get caught. people lose all their money.
also, in your scenario, one of the MANY MANY security measures in place would pick up the frequency of all these bogus accounts playing together. it would last 10 minutes, and you are done. more importantly, anyone who tries this is a piece of scum and is hurting the very game that feeds the pros that post here.
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#5
01-12-2005, 01:01 AM
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Re: Is this legal?
Just in case it wasn't clear, sarcasm is present is a number of the replies. This is obviously cheating and would certainly get him banned from whatever sites he's doing it on if he's caught. If he's logged on to multiple accounts on the same site with the same IP address, that could set off a red flag. Most poker sites have systems they use to detect likely cheaters, but there are, no doubt, some people getting away with some cheating. For the most part, it doesn't seem to be prevalent enough to do serious harm to most players, but there must be some cases where it does.
Laws relating to online poker are fuzzy at best and would depend on where he is and where the poker sites are.
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01-12-2005, 03:17 AM
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Re: Is this legal?
He mentioned the guy is pretty computer adept, so I would imagine he fixed the IP problem. Theroretically someone with the computer knowledge could easy milk Party Poker and NEVER be caught if they wanted to spend the time setting it up and debugging. Which brings up a good question. Yes, Party can just close accounts and take funds, but what about already cashed out funds? Will there be any legal problems in the US for someone if they, say, made a couple hundred thousand off of cheating in online poker assuming all taxes are paid properly? And, of course, they're doing this in a state that online poker is "legal."
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01-12-2005, 12:26 AM
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Re: Is this legal?
In the sense that there is no way that this person would be prosecuted in a US court of law for what he is doing, then yes it is legal. Surprisingly, collusion on online poker has not been high on Congress' to-do list.
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01-12-2005, 03:42 AM
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Re: Is this legal?
Then why aren't some computer geniuses doing this? It's a VERY lucrative proposition if done correctly. Maybe they are and we just don't know? Literally, if done correctly there is NO way a site would catch them...or care I would imagine, they make the rake anyway...plus done properly no one would ever know they were colluding. Just think if you had half the players at a table, just by the fact that you know 10 cards gives you a HUGE advantage.
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