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Old 12-26-2005, 02:47 AM
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Sorry about the number of hands. If one of the moderators wants to hold one of them back, I understand. I'm just off to work shortly and won't have access to my PT.

Villian's first hand at the table.

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Preflop: Hero is MP2 with Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, <font color="#666666">3 folds</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (6.50 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 3[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 2[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font>
BB checks, UTG checks, <font color="#CC3333">Hero bets</font>, BB calls, UTG folds.

Turn: (4.25 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

River: (4.25 BB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(2 players)</font>
BB checks, Hero checks.

Final Pot: 4.25 BB

Give me a different line. Please.
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Old 12-26-2005, 02:49 AM
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Kwaz,

Having not bet the turn you have to bet the river when checked to.

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Old 12-26-2005, 02:49 AM
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Bet turn?
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Old 12-26-2005, 02:52 AM
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Bet the turn, bet the river.
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Old 12-26-2005, 02:56 AM
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Bet the turn, bet the river so long as it isn't a heart
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Old 12-26-2005, 05:01 AM
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Yes, bet the turn, the King makes me feel that my hand was best on the flop, the heart is worrying, but not so much so that you should not bet.
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Old 12-26-2005, 05:29 AM
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So bet/fold turn, bet/fold river.
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Old 12-26-2005, 05:41 AM
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So bet/fold turn, bet/fold river.

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The turn is a bet/fold, but I'm not so sure about the river. If someone took that line against me and was new to the table, I would like to see what they played so strangely and call. This is probably wrong, but it would be such a weird line that I'd be curious. Usually it's the nuts from the turn, but I still call.
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Old 12-26-2005, 06:35 AM
Jake (The Snake) Jake (The Snake) is offline
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Really? I think I would rather call a turn c/r than a river c/r in this spot. The king is a decent scare card and if BB has something like A [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] X he might think it's a good semibluff spot.

River c/r's are almost never bluffs.

And yeah, letting a heart see the river for free is no good methinks. Bet the turn.
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Old 12-26-2005, 12:24 PM
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So bet/fold turn, bet/fold river.

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The turn is a bet/fold, but I'm not so sure about the river. If someone took that line against me and was new to the table, I would like to see what they played so strangely and call. This is probably wrong, but it would be such a weird line that I'd be curious. Usually it's the nuts from the turn, but I still call.

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Check/call flop, check/raise turn isn't a strange line. It typically means monster. Obviously by the river play he doesn't have a monster, otherwise he would have bet it. But if he check/raised the turn after check/calling the flop, I would expect he has some sort of K, especially K2 or K3.
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