Makes sense to NOT move up?

HonchoOverload · #1 11-21-2005, 01:45 AM

If you're absolutely killing one of the intermediate levels like the $33s, doesn't it make more sense NOT to move up? I've seen a lot of posts stating that people are killing a certain level like the $33s at like a 45% ROI and it seems like if you're doing so, DON'T move up because there's no way you'll make that kind of $$$$ at the $55s or the $109s or the $215s.

I play a comparable level to the $33s (although I play the six-handed stars tourneys, so I'm not sure how the ROI and such would differ), and with just a few hundred tourneys I'm killing them for a 31% ROI. At this rate, based on what the FAQ says the expected ROI is for the higher levels, I'm not sure I'd want to move up!!! Anyone else feel staying at the mid levels is better than moving up?

In order to make the same $$$$ as I do now by moving up to the $55s, I'd have to be cruising at a 20% ROI and I'm not sure that's possible as the competition starts getting more pro at that limit...

runner4life7 · #2 11-21-2005, 01:52 AM

did you happen to look at the ROI for the 30s on the same page? how about you look again and realize what a "heater" is

HonchoOverload · #3 11-21-2005, 02:03 AM

Alright, assuming I accept the fact that I'm on a 700 tourney heater (which actually I agree with), I'm asking if there are people who actually prefer to play a the 33s over the 55s or the 55s over the 109s because the $$$$ just works out better in the long run

runner4life7 · #4 11-21-2005, 02:37 AM

with that said, actually I am one of those that prefers the 30s over the 55s, with about 1000 30s played and 300 50s played.

Slim Pickens · #5 11-21-2005, 02:41 AM

You can make some arguement for not moving up if

a) your ROI is higher at the 33's (probably true)
b) you can play more tables at the 33's because the fewer starting chips leave you with fewer complicated hands and more push/fold preflop per tournament.

Play around with different ROI and # of tables, as well as maybe 10 min less per tournament (or 5 per set if you play in sets) and see what you get.

pooh74 · #6 11-21-2005, 12:07 PM

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did you happen to look at the ROI for the 30s on the same page? how about you look again and realize what a "heater" is

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Nothing in the FAQ is THAT relevant to OP's q. The 6 handed games at stars have 1500 in chips, slow blinds (10minutes?), and different payout structure (70-30??).

I assume he plays the 36s or whatever it is. These games allow, and actually REQUIRE a lot of poker to be played. NOt only do blind-stack ratio stay wide, but the blinds come around fast so a lot of post flop poker is necessary. This will usually allow cream to rise to the top and I wouldne be surprised if higher than normal ROIs were recorded long term.

As far as moving up goes, I would dabble in them and see. Also consider that the higher 6 handed SNGs probably do not fill up as fast on stars so mulititabling could be a problem.

FWIW, I started out playing the 12s-6 handed a long time ago and remember them being quite easy...and I was a total donk at the time.

HonchoOverload · #7 11-21-2005, 12:31 PM

Thanks, pooh - I'm having a hard time fitting into this forum because nobody else plays the same game I do. It seems that only a very small number of players play these limits regularly. There's only probably three players I see every day.

I honestly do believe that a higher than normal ROI is sustainable at this level though. The interesting thing about my stats is that the deviation seems significantly less. I guess I need to wait till I have about 2000 in tournaments to really know.

Maybe I should write stars support and plead them to add a non-turbo $119

pooh74 · #8 11-21-2005, 12:49 PM

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what is the next BI after the 30s for the 6Handed?

I used to feel alone here too...now everyone and their mother is playing the stars turbos. I'm sure the same will happen with the all the games eventually.

HonchoOverload · #9 11-21-2005, 01:09 PM

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Maybe I should write stars support and plead them to add a non-turbo $119

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what is the next BI after the 30s for the 6Handed?

I used to feel alone here too...now everyone and their mother is playing the stars turbos. I'm sure the same will happen with the all the games eventually.

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the only choices are $35+3 ten minute rounds of $110+9 turbos...

splashpot · #10 11-21-2005, 02:03 AM

20%ROI at the $33s is the same as 12%ROI at the $55s. Of course it makes sense to move up.