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QJo vs TAG 3-bet on a Jh 9s 8h board
I apologize if I posted this in the wrong forum. I wasn't sure if this belonged in the micro limits forum or this one since it was a 6 max table.
Anyhoo, I'm looking for comments on my turn fold, should I have just called down? Raise? SB is a TAG player while BB is TP PF, and LP on the flop. Party Poker 0.50/1 Hold'em (6 max, 5 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, SB completes, BB checks. Should I have raised PF? I'm fresh to 6 max and have basically been basing my PF strategy on the SSH PF Tight game starting hands (mid, late and blinds). Flop: (3 SB) 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, <font color="#CC3333">Hero raises</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB 3-bets</font>, BB calls, Hero calls. With TP and a gutshot straight draw, I liked my hand and felt it was good for a raise, however SB's 3-bet into me set off some alarms. I thought he might have flopped the straight here, what else would he 3-bet with? Turn: (6 BB) 3[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(3 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, Hero folds. I'm not sure what BB has here, he could been on a FD or OESD, I chose to fold here fearing I was already beat. Had it been HU I would have called the turn and the river to see a showdown. |
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Re: QJo vs TAG 3-bet on a Jh 9s 8h board
Bump, comments anyone?
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Re: QJo vs TAG 3-bet on a Jh 9s 8h board
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Any way im looking at it, you have 6 BBs in the pot on the turn and at best have 5 clean outs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which is why I folded, I figured I had to be beat and the pot wasn't big enough to justify continuing with the hand. [/ QUOTE ] There is 8 BB's in the pot when it is your turn to act not 6, and this is a draw heavy board, getting 8:1 I am calling down here. You have TP, a gutshot and can still outdraw 2 pair |
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Re: QJo vs TAG 3-bet on a Jh 9s 8h board
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[ QUOTE ] Any way im looking at it, you have 6 BBs in the pot on the turn and at best have 5 clean outs. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Which is why I folded, I figured I had to be beat and the pot wasn't big enough to justify continuing with the hand. [/ QUOTE ] There is 8 BB's in the pot when it is your turn to act not 6, and this is a draw heavy board, getting 8:1 I am calling down here. You have TP, a gutshot and can still outdraw 2 pair [/ QUOTE ] I realize that there are 8 when it gets to you. But going into the turn there are 6 BBs, and that helps me factor what they might be doing. The top pair is already behind even a KJ, which we cant know what they have without the preflop raise. It's close, because on the turn you're getting 8:1 while needing 8.2:1, but i honestly think you're behind and losing to BBs river card too many times for this to be profitable any further. |
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Re: QJo vs TAG 3-bet on a Jh 9s 8h board
Blahhhh raise preflop. Call down.
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Re: QJo vs TAG 3-bet on a Jh 9s 8h board
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Blahhhh raise preflop. Call down. [/ QUOTE ] Aye, this thread seems MUBSy to me, is a mubsy a word? Can it be from now on? |
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Re: QJo vs TAG 3-bet on a Jh 9s 8h board
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Blahhhh raise preflop. Call down. [/ QUOTE ] Surely you know better than to give advice without explaining yourself? On this standard, that's about as good of an argument as "fold pre." to me. |
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Re: QJo vs TAG 3-bet on a Jh 9s 8h board
You're opening the hand, and you have the button, and there are fresh blinds to steal. Easy raise.
[ QUOTE ] I thought he might have flopped the straight here, what else would he 3-bet with? [/ QUOTE ] Considering you didnt raise PF, he could have a variety of two pairs here, and feels like charging your possible flush draw. Your raise to BB's bet may look like you want a free card(heh), which rings the bell for SB to protect his hand. Just my .50 cents...(that i gain when im in SB and you limp QJ) |
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Re: QJo vs TAG 3-bet on a Jh 9s 8h board
Open-raise preflop, entire hand plays different.
I'd probably call down though. |
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Re: QJo vs TAG 3-bet on a Jh 9s 8h board
lots of draw and 2 pair out there. I think I call down.
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