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#1
06-11-2005, 02:44 PM
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Check - Raise
You know, I'm a huge fan of the occasional check-raise. I think it's a great play that can make loose betters and top pair think twice about their cards. I use this (not frequently) in both my home games and at the casino.
The home players will make a big deal about it (no one else really utilizes check-raise) but for the most part give me credit for it and fold, maybe call with top pair, depending on what's out there. A few players get very angry when I check-raise them and I won't hear the end of it for hours. This affects my play, because I'm less likely to try it again for fear of being berated for hours. At the casino, I get a completely different response. Because I'm a girl (I suppose), usually they don't give me credit for a strong hand and someone will come over me and raise again, even when I've got the nuts. The players there seem completely knocked over that *I* could have a good hand and wasn't bluffing. They'll kid about it afterward for a while and this also makes me uncomfortable. How do you guys feel about check-raise and if it happens to you, how do you act? (Supposing you probably have an inferior hand). How often do you pull a C-R? I didn't think that it was so damn controversial to check-raise and I'm tired of having my plays pointed out to the entire table. 
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#2
06-11-2005, 04:29 PM
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Re: Check - Raise
It's part of the game.
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#3
06-11-2005, 05:50 PM
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Re: Check - Raise
It's not only a part of the game, it's a very useful maneuver in the game. Check-raise often enough so that when you check, it is no longer a sign of weakness. If being a "girl" gains you extra action on check-raising (they 3 bet your check-raise when you have the nuts)... [censored] I would check-raise all the time.
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#5
06-11-2005, 06:56 PM
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Re: Check - Raise
Don't worry about the bit*ing... almost every day I hear someone bit*h about getting check-raised or someone check-raising... all the players at the table keep silent, because we now know this bit*her isn't a poker player, but there to have fun or make friends. Also, since I don't know your relative poker knowledge... I just wanted to add, most of the time it is actually better to bet out a strong hand.(unless it is a VERY strong hand.)
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#6
06-13-2005, 11:16 AM
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Re: Check - Raise
And...I have learned to like it when players start b*tching, because that is usually a sure sign of the onset of tilt. If someone started griping at me over a checkraise, I believe that I would attempt to checkraise him again as soon as possible.
And, I agree with ninja...I think checkraising is extremely valuable, but gets overused. I would only checkraise my rock-solid hands, or situations where I could represent a rock-solid hand, and thought that I would be believed. Any other time, it's time to bet out(i.e. TPTK). Remember, what you don't want to do is give away a free card, so be fairly certain someone else will bet.
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#7
06-11-2005, 07:02 PM
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Re: Check - Raise
Take what they give you. If it puts them near tilt, exploit it.
The check-raise can make them more aware of you. If the check raise helps you in terms of making your presence known and it gets you a little more influence and respect, by all means keep doing that in the right spots. Maybe the better players will learn to avoid your table. YOUR table.
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#8
06-11-2005, 10:46 PM
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Re: Check - Raise
Thanks for all the good advice.
I know that betting out is preferable....I usually check-raise when i have something (near) unbeatable. Of course, it makes players aware of you, but with lots of money in the pot sometimes people are inclined to call.
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#9
06-12-2005, 12:04 AM
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Re: Check - Raise
[ QUOTE ]
Thanks for all the good advice. I know that betting out is preferable....I usually check-raise when i have something (near) unbeatable. Of course, it makes players aware of you, but with lots of money in the pot sometimes people are inclined to call. [/ QUOTE ] You need to re-think your reasons behind check raising if you wait till you have the nuts to do it. Read (or re-read) the c/r'ing sections of SSHE, HPFAP, ToP, or whatever applies to the games you play.
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