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What is liberalism?
A little while back, I asked conservatives to explain the ideas behind conservatism. They responded quickly and with a lot of background.
Now, I'd like conservatives to do me another favor. What is liberalism? Where did it come from? Again, I'm not looking for policy proposals (like free healthcare or anti-death penalty) but the basic underlining ideological foundations of modern liberalism. |
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Re: What is liberalism?
Modern conservatism: oppress people overseas
Modern liberalism: oppress people domestically Most people want to do both. They're "libocons." |
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Re: What is liberalism?
Please explain how liberalism oppresses people in the US?
Liberals want more freedom, not less. Look at the "war on drugs" or the DoD program of spying on peaceful americans for example: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10454316/ |
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Re: What is liberalism?
On social issues they are often against free speech (remember, most liberals aren't the ACLU, but rather come down on anyone that says anything "offensive").
On economic issues the sky is the limit. Then again, I don't know why we divide economics and social, as they are integrated pretty closely in my life. |
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Re: What is liberalism?
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Please explain how liberalism oppresses people in the US? Liberals want more freedom, not less. Look at the "war on drugs" or the DoD program of spying on peaceful americans for example: http://msnbc.msn.com/id/10454316/ [/ QUOTE ] It is simple. People are forced to relinquish funds against their will in order to contribute to the "liberal" welfare state, otherwise they will be thrown in jail. Are you saying that extortion is not oppression? |
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Re: What is liberalism?
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Modern conservatism: oppress people overseas Modern liberalism: oppress people domestically Most people want to do both. [/ QUOTE ] I will let liberals speak for themselves, but most conservatives do not want to oppress anyone. They do want to defend themselves against crime and foreign terror. Its too bad that pvn considers self-defense to be oppression, he seems to have gotten led astray a bit. |
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Re: What is liberalism?
This is a Bill Hicks quote that sums up how most liberals feel. If you are a Christian Conservative, close your eyes and pray:
"My final point about alchohol, about drugs, about Pornography...What business is it of your's what I do, read, buy, see or take into my body as long as I don't harm another human being whilst on this planet? And for those of you having a little moral dilemna on how to answer this, I'll answer for you. NONE OF YOUR [censored] BUSINESS Take that to the bank, cash it and take it on a vacation outta my [censored] life. " |
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Re: What is liberalism?
I assume pvn is a libetarian?
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Re: What is liberalism?
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I assume pvn is a libetarian? [/ QUOTE ] Maybe he is a libertarian with a persecution complex. He seems to think everybody is out there oppressing everybody. I guess he sees himself as the innocent victim being oppressed by all them non-libertarians out there. [img]/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img] |
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Re: What is liberalism?
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[ QUOTE ] Modern conservatism: oppress people overseas Modern liberalism: oppress people domestically Most people want to do both. [/ QUOTE ] I will let liberals speak for themselves, but most conservatives do not want to oppress anyone. They do want to defend themselves against crime and foreign terror. Its too bad that pvn considers self-defense to be oppression, he seems to have gotten led astray a bit. [/ QUOTE ] Going out and killing 30k Iraqis (and 2k Americans) sure has a lot to do with "defense." That doesn't matter though, because the life of one American is worth that of many foreigners. After all, they were born outside of the jurisdiction of the US government. Additionally, the funds used in these endeavors are obtained by means of force, thus oppressing people domestically. Oh, conservatives also oppress people domestically by denying them of several personal freedoms (although 'liberals' so this too). |
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