10/20 AA Deep Stacks

KaneKungFu123 · #1 10-05-2005, 05:58 AM

This is a tricky hand. Villian has the word "loose goofy" in my notes. I have $4100. He has me covered.

I am UTG, he is in MP. I get A [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] A [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] and raise to $100. He calls.

Flop

4 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 5 [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]

I bet pot. He calls.

Turn

Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]

I really dont like betting the turn here against players with this label because if they raise me then I have to fold. If I bet and they call, Im going to check the river, and have to call a large bet and theyll get paid off if they hit something odd. I know that a huge majority of the time I'm ahead here and they love to bet when checked to. It seems unlikley that he cold-called the flop with two pair or a set given our stack sizes and his image. So I can check-call or check-raise.

I check. He bets $870 into a $690 pot.

Whats your plan at this point? Do you perfer to lead the turn?

#2 10-05-2005, 06:56 AM

Looks like QQ or a big draw like JTc or QKc / AQc. He would raise sets, and two pairs on the flop presumably (unless he's really goofy), so they're the only hands I can see him having.

That said, its either check raise all in or fold. I actually think big draw is his most likely holding here so check raising big is 1000 times better than folding but since the stacks are so deep it lets him get away when he's drawing and stack you when he's not. I don't know what to do either, but I think calling here is pretty bad since he's likely pair + flush or straight + flush or already has you beat, but you don't really know what's a bad card for you on the river. Maybe my read is bad tho.

Chris Daddy Cool · #3 10-05-2005, 07:54 AM

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That said, its either check raise all in or fold.

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Am I the only one who thinks that playing for stacks this deep with AA on this board is bad?

flawless_victory · #4 10-05-2005, 01:37 PM

nevermind.

DonButtons · #5 10-05-2005, 01:52 PM

why would you want to play for stacks with 200xbb with 1 pair?

I like how he played it, except these turn overbets always piss me off...Im also wondering what you did, because I face these a lot when I tell myself I just want to call a turn pot bet or less to control the pot size...

flawless_victory · #6 10-05-2005, 01:56 PM

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why would you want to play for stacks with 200xbb with 1 pair?

[/ QUOTE ]is this a joke?

Ulysses · #7 10-05-2005, 05:04 PM

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why would you want to play for stacks with 200xbb with 1 pair?

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I do it all the time. The times I do it, it is because I think I have the best hand.

riverboatking · #8 10-05-2005, 07:07 PM

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Looks like QQ or a big draw like JTc or QKc / AQc. He would raise sets, and two pairs on the flop presumably (unless he's really goofy), so they're the only hands I can see him having.

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this is a joke right?
are there monsters hiding under your bed as well?

Hattifnatt · #9 10-05-2005, 07:08 AM

I think a 2/3 pot bet on the turn would have been better. If he raises, run!

mgsimpleton · #10 10-05-2005, 07:16 AM

yeah that´s what i would do if i were playing 2/4 - bet 2/3 pot... i mean that´s what the book says, right?

however, seeing as how if i´m hero, i´m playing 10/20 with 200BB against "loose goofy" i´d probably not scream overpair quite so loud, as kane mentioned, since it is very easy for him to bluff raise on the turn especially if he has a large draw, knowing hero can´t reasonably call with anything but QQ or 99. I agree with the first poster, this was my initial reaction as well, that he has some sort of big draw or a set with a big draw being much more likely. stacks are deep buuuut I still kind of like a big raise here... or fold. i´m sort of torn given the depth of the stacks, if you had 50 BB less i´d say it´s a check/push on the turn but here you won´t get caleld unless you´re beaten so your read has to be damned good to make this a profitable push for protection since you lose a crapload when he does call with a better made hand. it seems like your read isn´t too good (hence the posting of this hand) so i don´t think a fold is too far off though i´d probably push because my read vs a loose goofy unknown is 75/25 (anyone wanna do the math for my lazy self given these numbers?) and my instinct says it´s a close decision and i like to push. added benefit of you maybe still getting called by the 14 out-ish draw since people like those.