You might not like this preflop...what about postflop?

imported_smoove · #1 12-08-2005, 02:49 AM

Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx

Villain was 36/7/1.8 over 200+ hands. Rest of table roughly split between tight and loose players (sorry that's so general).

Preflop: Hero is UTG with 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
Hero calls, 3 folds, MP2 calls, 3 folds, SB completes, BB raises, Hero calls, MP2 calls, SB calls.

Yeah...I open limped this. Fold it most often here? Raise it? I know it depends on many factors...I'd say this was an average Party table.

Flop: (8 SB) K[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB bets, Hero raises, MP2 folds, SB folds, BB calls.

Was this nutty?

Turn: (6 BB) 2[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets, BB folds.

Well, ok then. Did I just luck out here? See below in white for what the guy told me he mucked after much hesitation...blew my mind.

Final Pot: 7 BB

Villain said he mucked: AK!!!!!

#2 12-08-2005, 02:58 AM

it think we're all guilty of A rag suited limp ins utg every now and again... i'd have no problem limping in a very loose passive game...

i'm not quite sure why the hell he mucked that... was obviously lying to you...

Jake (The Snake) · #3 12-08-2005, 05:09 AM

What does everybody think about checking this turn?

hobbsmann · #4 12-08-2005, 05:19 AM

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I don't like it. What is your reasoning?

Jake (The Snake) · #5 12-08-2005, 07:51 PM

oops

Jake (The Snake) · #6 12-08-2005, 08:01 PM

All of these hands are still possible on the turn with possibly a few more:

AA, KK, QQ, JJ, TT, 99, AK, AQ, AJ, AT, KQ, KJ

Of these, against the hands that are slowplaying against us, checking is clearly better. Checking also allows us to see a SD without the risk of being bluff c/r'ed off the best hand.

Against hands that we are ahead of, they all pretty much only have 2 or 3 outs against us.

Notice that there are no flush draws and pretty much no reasonable straight draws to be worried about on this board. Checking will often induce a bluff from a worse hand or induce calls from worse hands when we bet on the river.

Also, if a hand like AJ (which probably would've folded to a turn bet) spikes an Ace on the river, we get to collect 2 more bets.

The problem of course is that we can push off hands that are beating us like QQ-TT, which I drunkenly thought we were ahead of when I posted the idea last night. If they fold to a turn bet then betting is almost certainly better... if not I can see checking though since we aren't too worried about worse hands catching up in this small pot.

SNOWBALL138 · #7 12-08-2005, 06:55 AM

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Why, so you can induce a call/value bet from TT on the river?

gopnik · #8 12-08-2005, 03:26 PM

Nah, bet the turn and take a free showdown if you don't improve.

hobbsmann · #9 12-08-2005, 05:20 AM

I raise preflop.

SNOWBALL138 · #10 12-08-2005, 06:57 AM

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Why do you raise preflop? He didn't say anything except that its a typical party table. You don't think that raising a9s utg at a typical party table is correct, do you?