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jgorham · #1 11-04-2005, 07:20 PM

SB in this hand is a TAG. This is my first time playing shorthanded with him, however. BB, on the other hand, is way too loose and way too passive. Just bad all around. I have had to rebuy, and am down overall about $1500 at this point on this table.

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Preflop: Hero is Button with Q[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img].
UTG calls, 1 fold, Hero raises, SB calls, BB calls, UTG calls.

Flop: (8 SB) 4[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (4 players)
SB checks, BB checks, UTG checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB calls, UTG folds, Hero calls.

Turn: (7 BB) J[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (3 players)
SB checks, BB checks, Hero bets, SB raises, BB folds, Hero?

This play just really confused me and I was at a loss...

brazilio · #2 11-04-2005, 07:21 PM

You don't think he'll double checkraise the draw?

jgorham · #3 11-04-2005, 09:03 PM

Well I am certainly not folding here. But is the draw (or a straight bluff) the only hand that makes sense for this guys range? Because if so then I should probably 3bet that turn, no?

brazilio · #4 11-04-2005, 09:08 PM

That's what I'm not sure about. His hand range very likely has the spade draw as a significant portion, but I don't know if it's a significant enough portion to 3-bet it.

Argus · #5 11-05-2005, 06:58 AM

I would also include A6s or a pocket pair 77-99 in his range, and figure that he's trying to protect his fragile hand. I think now that you've paired you should call down, although a river spade would call me to re-evaluate if it's more than 2 ways to the river.

The double check/raise leaves me [img]/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img], so prepare to get owned some percentage of the time.

rory · #6 11-05-2005, 08:43 AM

Explain to me why you should 3-bet the turn if you were absolutely 100% sure he had a spade flush draw.

brazilio · #7 11-05-2005, 08:50 AM

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Explain to me why you should 3-bet the turn if you were absolutely 100% sure he had a spade flush draw.

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What? If he's 100% on the spade draw then it's an auto 3-bet. I was saying that I don't know if our hand range includes a high enough percentage of it being the spade draw to 3-bet.

sammy_g · #8 11-05-2005, 06:10 PM

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You don't think he'll double checkraise the draw?

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Does anyone really play a flush draw like this? I guess I would not be shocked by J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] X [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]. Maybe a mid pocket pair plays this way, too. I still think the play is to call down.

Wynton · #9 11-05-2005, 06:18 PM

I've never double c/r a flush draw. You saying this is common?

sammy_g · #10 11-05-2005, 06:24 PM

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I've never double c/r a flush draw. You saying this is common?

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I'm saying it's not common.