Did I get outplayed here?

krazyace5 · #1 01-07-2005, 12:28 AM

I usually would call this but I know this person was a 2+2er. They knew I was also so maybe they figured I could make this kind of laydown. So do you think I got played or was I beat?

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $0.5 BB (6 handed) converter

Hero ($84.15)
BB ($56.88)
UTG ($73.2)
MP ($17.65)
CO ($28.35)
Button ($46.72)

Preflop: Hero is SB with A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], Q[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
UTG calls $0.50, MP folds, CO folds, Button folds, Hero raises to $2.5, BB folds, UTG calls $2.

Flop: ($5.50) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], 9[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $3, UTG calls $3.

Turn: ($11.50) 7[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero bets $10, UTG calls $10.

River: ($31.50) 8[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] (2 players)
Hero checks, UTG bets $32.28, Hero folds.

Final Pot: $63.78

Results in white below: 
UTG doesn't show.
Outcome: UTG wins $63.78.

papawawa · #2 01-07-2005, 12:37 AM

I think you played the turn a little aggressively. I usually check in this spot w/almost any hand and bet the pot occasionally with legitamate hands. His flop call gave you no info on his hand so you shouldn't commit too early. His line seemed like a low 2 pair or straight; good river fold.

mythrilfox · #3 01-07-2005, 12:41 AM

Papa, you'd check/call the turn?

papawawa · #4 01-07-2005, 12:50 AM

His line was good. I like check/calling or check/raising the turn depending on the opponents play. You can gauge the strength of his hand a lot of the time by how he bets. For example, if you check to him and he bets small, you can narrow the possibilities of what he's got. Also without any info on the opponents hand I wouldn't necessarily wanna put so much $$ in "blind" if you will. This is a tough spot tho. You're likely ahead on the flop and your opponents obviously drawing, so you wanna charge him, right? However, the turn might've made his straight. THe point is you just don't know. I'm saying test the waters but don't commit yourself. It depends a great deal on any reads hero might have on the opponent.

CASHIZ · #5 01-07-2005, 03:21 AM

He's not chasing a gut shot, he's proubly got a set, an early limp then call is typical of small-mid pairs pre-flop.
I don't think he's got two pair because as you said he's a two plus twoer and should know better than to call raises with bad aces.
Anyway he has to put you on top pair top kicker, so rest easy,he had you beat.

BobboFitos · #6 01-07-2005, 10:14 AM

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I like check/calling

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yes

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or check/raising the turn

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no

Out of position I like your line up until the turn, then I'd probably check-call, then fire a blocking / value bet on the river.

I actually prefer when the turn goes check-check... Check-raising is really bad here

BobboFitos · #7 01-07-2005, 10:15 AM

WOOOHOOO OLD HAND

mythrilfox · #8 01-07-2005, 12:37 AM

It's possible, but I play it roughly the same way, except a little more on the flop bet. UTG limp/call is consistent with a low pp and he may have been drawing for a set.

It's very player dependent though. I know a lot of people might raise the turn here, but maybe he was hoping you'd bet the river as well. If you have a history or something with this guy, I'd suggest mixing up your play, going for a check/raise on the flop or something.

Gravy (Gravy Smoothie) · #9 01-07-2005, 02:55 AM

A question for the experienced players:

Is a blocking bet worth it on the river here, or just a waste of chips?

BobboFitos · #10 01-07-2005, 10:17 AM

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A question for the experienced players:

Is a blocking bet worth it on the river here, or just a waste of chips?

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Yeah, I'd fire a blocker here. Much rather bet 1/2 pot then have to call a full pot suspected bluff.

It would be nicer if less money went in on the turn, (bet size jumped from 3/5pot flop to basically full pot... If anything I'd probably do the opposite) in order to make a smaller river pot, as chances that one pair is good here isn't great for the size pot, but neverthless I'd bet again.

However, I dont think the 2+2er is bluffing, so I think it was a good fold.