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K10s badly misplayed
Everyone in hand is loose/fishy. Not enough hands for stats. Preflop raiser has been raising alot lately.
Party Poker 2/4 Hold'em (10 handed) FTR converter on zerodivide.cx Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls. I was thinking about raising instead of calling, but decided K10s is too weak of a hand. After the PFR I was thinking about 3-betting to bloat the pot. Once again I decided K10s is just too weak. Flop: (10 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, SB calls. Turn: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls. Very bad call here. What was I thinking? River: (11 BB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls. Next time I make a call like this, I'm quitting poker. Final Pot: 15 BB |
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Re: K10s badly misplayed
raise preflop. fold the flop.
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Re: K10s badly misplayed
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Preflop: Hero is CO with K[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img]. UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, <font color="#666666">4 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 fold</font>, <font color="#CC3333">SB raises</font>, BB calls, UTG calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls. I was thinking about raising instead of calling, but decided K10s is too weak of a hand. [/ QUOTE ] I usually would. Your hand likely has greater equity than either of the limpers, and it's nice to have some control over the action. [ QUOTE ] After the PFR I was thinking about 3-betting to bloat the pot. Once again I decided K10s is just too weak. [/ QUOTE ] hm. I'm not sure what I think about this. [ QUOTE ] Flop: (10 SB) 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], J[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font> SB checks, <font color="#CC3333">BB bets</font>, UTG folds, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls, SB calls. [/ QUOTE ] I know the pot is pretty big, but... I think I could fold here. I think you need the pot to be even bigger given that the two spades are out there. [ QUOTE ] Turn: (7 BB) K[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(4 players)</font> <font color="#CC3333">SB bets</font>, BB calls, UTG+1 calls, Hero calls. Very bad call here. What was I thinking? [/ QUOTE ] yeah. river too, but you know it already. I guess you posted this so that the flaming would remind you not to do it again, but I'm not very good at being brutal. |
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Re: K10s badly misplayed
Preflop, I think you can raise the first time around, but I don't think the limp is awful or anything. In any event, when it came back to me, I would probably just call, fearing, for instance, that I might be dominated.
The flop call seems fine to me, but I agree with you that you can release on the turn. Your outs just seem too tainted to me here, in this multiway pot. I also agree with you that the river over-overcall is not good. |
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Re: K10s badly misplayed
Raise pre-flop.
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Re: K10s badly misplayed
Someone explain the preflop advice to me. Are we valuing KTs because the limpers are bad players? Against good players and regular bad players, i'd limp with this to coax 5:1 odds aiming for a flush or flush draw. I would have to see consistently poor poker from the limpers to play the KT for paring potential. Am I wrong?
As for the hand, I would call the flop bet getting 12:1, needing about 4 outs which is satisfied by the three useful queens and the BDFD. After the turn I cut out, and if i clicked call by mistake, I'd still fold the river. |
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Re: K10s badly misplayed
A pair of kings wins it fair share of pots.
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Re: K10s badly misplayed
Do you trust the ten kicker because the limpers are bad, or against good limpers too? I can't like it against average or good players, because either I'm not getting action on my top pair, or paying off a better hand. Wrong?
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Re: K10s badly misplayed
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Do you trust the ten kicker because the limpers are bad, or against good limpers too? I can't like it against average or good players, because either I'm not getting action on my top pair, or paying off a better hand. Wrong? [/ QUOTE ] If you replace "average or good" with "tight (and somewhat passive)" then you have a good chance of being correct - after all, domination is likely if you can place KJ/KQo/JT/AT in the open-limping and overlimping ranges (and eliminate other hands you have dominated, such as Kxs). Now, if the read is "loose/fishy", we can basically paraphrase Eddy Miller and say, "A pair of Kings is a pretty good hand" - donkeys always draw and all that. Also consider that if you're better post-flop than the other players, and you know that there are only 2 other Kings left in the deck, you may be able to utilize this advantage to help ameliorate situations like "can I trust my T kicker?" |
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Re: K10s badly misplayed
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A pair of kings wins it fair share of pots. [/ QUOTE ] Yes, but doubtful it's 20% of raised family fish-fry pots with an Ace, a str8, and 3-flush onboard. And on the Turn you have to commit to 2 bets (minimum) to see this showdown for less than 10BB profit. |
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