I call this right??

[LotsOfOuts69]

Wanted to try out the ten-table thing on party so I fired up 10 $20+2's.

Anyway sorry for not converting, assuming no reads....

#Game No : 2889304531
***** Hand History for Game 2889304531 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $20 Buy-in + $2 Entry Fee Trny:16651993 Level:6 Blinds(100/200) - Monday, October 17, 01:46:32 EDT 2005
Table Table 66979 (Real Money)
Seat 9 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 9: DGip1106 ( $2510 )
Seat 10: TITANIC777 ( $2275 )
Seat 1: LotsOfOuts69 ( $2225 )
Seat 4: mr_burrit0 ( $990 )
Trny:16651993 Level:6
Blinds(100/200)
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to LotsOfOuts69 [ Qd Qh ]
mr_burrit0 folds.
DGip1106 is all-In [2510]
TITANIC777 folds.
LotsOfOuts69 is all-In [2025]

** Dealing Flop ** [ 6c, 6h, 3c ]
** Dealing Turn ** [ Kc ]
** Dealing River ** [ 3d ]

Results in white:
<font color="white"> LotsOfOuts69 shows [ Qd, Qh ] two pairs, queens and sixes.
DGip1106 shows [ Jh, Ks ] two pairs, kings and sixes.
DGip1106 wins 285 chips from side pot #1 with two pairs, kings and sixes.
DGip1106 wins 4550 chips from the main pot with two pairs, kings and sixes.
LotsOfOuts69 finished in fourth place.
</font>

In addition, if you say call, would you fold if the short stack had less chips? How low would he have to be?

[mmbt0ne]

Without any other kind of read:

I'm calling with QQ+, AK. I'm folding JJ, and everything else.

[LotsOfOuts69]

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Without any other kind of read:

I'm calling with QQ+, AK. I'm folding JJ, and everything else.

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Call AK and fold JJ huh? If you call AK you are coin flipping with all pairs and dominating weaker aces and kings.

If you call with JJ you are dominating all under pairs and dominating weak aces and kings, coin flipping with AK AQ KQ and the only extra hand that dominates JJ rather than AK is QQ.

I don't see a difference, if anything I think calling with JJ is better no? I dont use those fancy calulation things

[microbet]

JJ is better than AK.

[runner4life7]

i know people like to say they fold JJ here but does anyone do that? Maybe I suck but i think folding JJ would be -EV making folding QQ that much more -EV.

[Karak567]

You might not know it and you may have unconsciously tried to do a good job of disguising this, but by posting results you confirmed that this is a bad beat post.

Very, very easy call.

[LotsOfOuts69]

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You might not know it and you may have unconsciously tried to do a good job of disguising this, but by posting results you confirmed that this is a bad beat post.

Very, very easy call.

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Dude, if I wanted to make a bad beat post, I would have included this and 128164374814612 other hands I've played in the last week.

I didn't even consider this a "bad" beat, I knew before calling that the guy probably had at least an ace (if not a king) and that I would probably have a 25% chance of busting out fourth. Thats why i thought after that folding might be a better option, but then I thought that I was crazy. So I wanted to get other perspectives.

[zipppy]

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I knew before calling that the guy probably had at least an ace (if not a king) and that I would probably have a 25% chance of busting out fourth. Thats why i thought after that folding might be a better option, but then I thought that I was crazy. So I wanted to get other perspectives.

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I think even Aces have something like a 18-19% chance of losing to a random hand.

You were right to call this on the bubble. This sets you up very well to try and win if you survive the hand.

perhaps if the short stack is short enough a fold is correct, but depending on who's pushing I might call no matter how short the short stack is (and in some cases because the short stack is so low). This may be wrong, but if you're willing to call with AA no matter what the stacks are, against certain opponents QQ isn't much worse than AA (since they will be pushing any 2 with an extremely short stack in play).

[tigerite]

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This may be wrong, but if you're willing to call with AA no matter what the stacks are, against certain opponents QQ isn't much worse than AA (since they will be pushing any 2 with an extremely short stack in play).

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Nah, that's not quite true, because QQ and KK are always possible to be a 30% dog and even an 80% one (rare, but it happens), and of course QQ can be only a 55% fave to AK. Whereas AA is always at least 78% (and that's against the sooted connectors such as 78s)

I'd call because odds are you're a big favorite, which you were. Maybe if the short stack had &lt;4 BBs, I'd fold and wait. But by calling this, you're putting yourself in great shape to win, not just coast into the money.