SSH Preflop Chart

[zgall1]

In SSH, the preflop chart for the tight (3-5 players preflop) game says to play any suited Ace from middle position or later as well as hands like Q9 and J9 suited. Do you think that these rules apply for a typical $2-4 Party game? I just can't see how some of the hands, especially stuff like A2s can be profitable after you have just limped in.

nut flush

[zgall1]

OK. That is pretty obvious but does anybody have any evidence/clear explanation as to how these hands can be profitable? I just can't see how this hand has enough value outside of the nut flush and top pair, in some cases. Or is this enough value alone?

I don't know if this answers your question or not, but here is a thread with more discussion (with replies by Ed Miller) about the very same topic.

King Jack Suited and Small Stakes Hold Em

[zgall1]

It is an interesting thread but I am really looking for some discussion on how A7s-A2s can make money by limping with them in a tight game.

Sorry, that's the best I can offer, I'm too new to all of this myself.

[ArturiusX]

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It is an interesting thread but I am really looking for some discussion on how A7s-A2s can make money by limping with them in a tight game.

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They do well multiway, and great heads up. They suck vs a raise due to reverse domination.

Hows that?

[TXTiger]

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It is an interesting thread but I am really looking for some discussion on how A7s-A2s can make money by limping with them in a tight game.

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If you mean open limping I don't think they can be profitable. I understand where this line of thinking comes from, but I don't think it applies to the low limit internet games.

The 3 or 4 times I played 3/6 live. It basically played like a play money table, without the raising. If you limp everyone at the table will follow, and I mean everyone. I limped J5s one time, and I think it was the right play. Now I wasn't open limping, but you get the point. Online you don't have a family pot every third hand with an average of 7 to the flop.

If I get a suited ace in mp in an unopened pot, I might raise with the A7 if I thought I could steal the blinds. Or if there were several tight players and one terrible player on my left I might raise and hope to get hu with the terrible player. But mostly I'm folding them.

Of course in mp3 you should be looking at how loose the players on your left are and raising often if everyone is tight. Note that I'm talking more about A7/6 and not about A2.

[Octopus]

An average of 4 to the flop is only tight in SSH land (and, I'm told, in some B&M's). Also, keep in mind that these charts are also built around a game with players who do not fold enough and do not raise enough on all streets. If you are at a table which is generally raised pre-flop or is quite aggressive post-flop, then limping with these weak suited aces is not as attractive.

During the day, I frequently find tables where I would not limp with Axs in middle position (though I might raise with them in some situations). In the evening, most tables are quite suitable to limping with them.

[zgall1]

Thanks for the reply. The comment about the post-flop level of aggression really made a lot of sense. I wish the book was a little clearer about some of these issues. Usually, they are stated somewhere in the book but just not in the logical order you might expect.