Another wait till the turn hand

[SlantNGo]

First hand at the table, I posted in the CO. Up to that point I had about 10 hands on UTG, VPIP 50%, no pre-flop raises from him yet.

Party Poker 1.00/2.00 Hold'em <font color="#0000FF">(9 handed)</font> link

Preflop: Hero is CO with 8[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img].
<font color="#CC3333">UTG raises</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#666666">2 folds</font>, Hero calls, <font color="#666666">1 folds</font>, SB calls, BB calls.

Flop: (10.00 SB) 6[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], 5[img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img], 8[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] <font color="#0000FF">(5 players)</font>
SB checks, BB checks, <font color="#CC3333">UTG bets</font>, MP1 calls, <font color="#CC3333">Hero ???</font>

I chose to raise right away because that gave me the opportunity to knock out SB and BB NOW, potentially cleaning up a 7, and any overs. I think this is a CLEAR flop raise, but I'm afraid I don't understand this topic well at all.

A month ago I would have waited till the turn here because my edge is small here, and a "blank" increases my equity tremendously, while a 4, 7, or 9 leaves me probably drawing dead.

[CourtJester]

There are not enough blanks that your hand warrents a raise on teh turn. Half the cards are overs and the others complete str8s, so get your money in, and hopefully get a fold or 2 outta this, good thing u have bdfd and A kicker.

[Redd]

If MP1 had folded, this would be the easiest raise ever. Even though he called, it still seems like a fairly straightforward raise to me. You can protect your hand from gutshots, you have a good redraw, you get value with the best hand, and you can get away from your hand fairly easily if things turn south.

[Paxosmotic]

If UTG hadn't raised preflop, I'd wait for all the standard reasons. However, I'd like to find out if he's on AA-99 as cheaply as possible.

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If UTG hadn't raised preflop, I'd wait for all the standard reasons. However, I'd like to find out if he's on AA-99 as cheaply as possible.

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Assuming UTG hadn't raised preflop why would you wait for the turn?

[Paxosmotic]

Two reasons,

1) The much smaller pot would allow me to pretty much blast away the entire field with a raise on the big bet street. Anyone who dares to call with a gutshot at that point is just handing me money.

2) UTG hasn't done anything but bet. We may not even have the best hand here. I can find out now for $1 or I can find out later for $2, and I'm really quite impatient about that sort of thing.

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1) The much smaller pot would allow me to pretty much blast away the entire field with a raise on the big bet street. Anyone who dares to call with a gutshot at that point is just handing me money.


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Why are we worried about protecting againsts gutshots in a small pot. They are calling incorrectly anyways. On the flop we need to knock out players or we have no chance of winning this pot.

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2) UTG hasn't done anything but bet. We may not even have the best hand here. I can find out now for $1 or I can find out later for $2, and I'm really quite impatient about that sort of thing.

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I think this is irrelevant. Maybe he has a high pocket pair maybe he has overcards. That's poker. If we don't think our hand is good often enough to make a stab at this pot worth it, then we should just fold the flop.

[istewart]

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I think this is irrelevant. Maybe he has a high pocket pair maybe he has overcards. That's poker. If we don't think our hand is good often enough to make a stab at this pot worth it, then we should just fold the flop.

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If we are behind we have odds to continue. Folding the flop is crap.

[SlantNGo]

If UTG hadn't raised preflop, the pot would be too small for waiting till the turn to be better IMO.

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If UTG hadn't raised preflop, I'd wait for all the standard reasons. However, I'd like to find out if he's on AA-99 as cheaply as possible.

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[hemstock]

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If UTG hadn't raised preflop, I'd wait for all the standard reasons. However, I'd like to find out if he's on AA-99 as cheaply as possible.

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So you are raising for info?