Crazy interesting hand with another 2+2er, 4/8 live

[DeathDonkey]

Good live 4/8 full kill game. 2+2er tehmatt is on my right and I have been threatening to 3 bet his raises since I perceive him as slightly too tight and foldable. So a few limpers, he raises in CO, I 3 bet on the button with Q [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]Q [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] SB calls, BB calls, EP calls, MP calls, tehmatt calls. 6 to the flop for ~20 sb.

Reads: SB is unknown but perceived as aggro. EP is sorta weak sorta too loose sorta TAG kid who looks scared of me. MP is loose and fairly aggro. tehmatt is tight and very straightforward.

Flop is J [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img]T [img]/images/graemlins/club.gif[/img]3 [img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] checked to MP who bets out, tehmatt calls, I call, SB checkraises, BB folds, EP calls two cold, MP calls, tehmatt calls, I call.

Turn is 8 [img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img] SB bets, EP calls, MP calls, tehmatt calls, I raise, everyone calls and EP is all in.

River is 9 [img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] checked to tehmatt who bets, I call, SB calls, MP calls too.

Thoughts on my waiting until the turn? Anything I should do different anywhere? How did tehmatt play his hand, what did he have?

-DeathDonkey

[synbad13]

This should be in SS forum. But I think you have to raise the flop. Your hand is WAY too vulnerable to be giving free cards. I don't think there's much question to it.

You may want to raise the river. I doubt someone has KQ, although it's possible. It may not be worth raising on the end, but it must be about an even to small +EV play.

[irishpint]

i think overcalls are great on the river

[aK13]

I think tehmatt has KQ.



Where do u play DD?

[DeathDonkey]

This was at Desert Diamond casino in Tucson, AZ.

-DeathDonkey

[Shillx]

This hand is pretty complicated for tehmatt. Considerations for him...

1) You will 3-bet with a lot of hands (potentially). Certainly hands like 99-77 can't be ruled out here if I'm understanding the abstract in your 1st post.

2) The flop bettor is LAG so he doesn't have to have QJ or even AQ beat when he bets the flop.

3) If Matt does have the flop bettor beat, we don't know if he will bet again on the turn. So if we need to get a raise in, it might have to be on the flop when we think our hand might be good. If we wait until 4th, it could possibly be too late.

Brad

[DeathDonkey]

Ok so its to get me off 99-77? I can dig that. But you gotta understand one thing. Matt has never and will never bluff at me. If he raises this flop, he has AJ minimum, and I agree that is a bad thing. I think the rule that "in big pots when you aren't sure what to do, raise" is appropriate here. As it turns out he would have just built me a pot, but he can't possibly know how strong I am.

-DeathDonkey

[PokerSparky]

If tehmat had KQ, he should have raised the flop IMO.

I don't mind waiting till the turn to raise on this board. Your equity is going to change quite a bit with the turn card.

[aK13]

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If tehmat had KQ, he should have raised the flop IMO.


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Why?

EDIT: I also think 3betting is a bad idea.

[irishpint]

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If tehmat had KQ, he should have raised the flop IMO.


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Why?

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hopefully he means 3 bet it when it comes back around.