Short stack play in the Party NL 2000

mrwatson23 · #1 06-21-2005, 04:56 PM

How much do you think a player could make buying into the Party NL $2000 for $500, then using the short stack strategy as outlined in Getting Started in Hold'em. I have been experimenting with this, and it is funny how many times I have seen "you obviously suck, otherwise you wouldn't buy in for $500 in a $2000 game" typed in the chat box. But they still get their money in with the worst hand more often than not.

greg nice · #2 06-21-2005, 06:39 PM

well they are right, you do suck. frankly, following a chart out of a book hardly consitutes playing poker.

but they suck also if they are getting it in with the worst of it.

so its a battle of who sucks more. sounds like a good game!

mrwatson23 · #3 06-21-2005, 07:06 PM

I don't really care if I am "playing poker" as you define it or not. What matters is whether playing a small stack makes money. I don't claim to be an expert no-limit player, which is why I am playing the small stack in the first place. There was a big thread about this in the Poker Theory forum, with some very informative posts from Ed Miller. You should read it.

greg nice · #4 06-21-2005, 07:27 PM

you do what works for you. obviously im not a fan of it because the strategy is blatantly obvious and it tightens up the game considerably once a few of you sit down.

i do find the quote in the initial post sort of funny now that you admit that its true..

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I don't claim to be an expert no-limit player, which is why I am playing the small stack in the first place.

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mrwatson23 · #5 06-21-2005, 07:33 PM

what's more important, playing great, or making money?

excession · #6 06-24-2005, 08:56 AM

what's more important, playing great, or making money?

Unless you're a pro, playing great..

KaneKungFu123 · #7 06-24-2005, 09:15 AM

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what's more important, playing great, or making money?

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if you can play great youll make more money long term.

mrwatson23 · #8 06-21-2005, 07:19 PM

Party Poker No-Limit Hold'em, $ BB (8 handed) converter

SB ($2011.5)
BB ($2606)
UTG ($1925)
UTG+1 ($2965.5)
MP1 ($2458)
MP2 ($2334)
CO ($2057)
Hero ($597)

Preflop: Hero is Button with A[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img], A[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img]. SB posts a blind of $10.
1 fold, UTG+1 calls $20, 3 folds, Hero raises to $90, 1 fold, BB calls $70, UTG+1 calls $70.

Flop: ($280) 5[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img], 4[img]/images/graemlins/diamond.gif[/img], T[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (3 players)
BB bets $150, UTG+1 folds, Hero calls $507 (All-In), BB calls $357.

Turn: ($1294) T[img]/images/graemlins/heart.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

River: ($1294) 6[img]/images/graemlins/spade.gif[/img] (2 players, 1 all-in)

Final Pot: $1294

Results in white below: 
BB has As 8s (flush, ace high).
Hero has Ah Ad (two pair, aces and tens).
Outcome: BB wins $1294.

Prevaricator · #9 06-21-2005, 08:28 PM

I hate it when people ruin the games by buying in for the minimum and thne just pushing preflop. The lucky fuckers just double up and leave. This the most annoying when im playing shorthanded.

mrwatson23 · #10 06-21-2005, 09:16 PM

No one is answering the question. I asked how much one could expect to make buying in for $500 in the Party NL $2000, using the basic strategy outlined in Getting Started in Hold'em. I have no doubt that one could make more playing a big stack if he was an expert no-limit player. I think the number of people who think they are expert players and play their big stacks poorly is very large. I don't think that anyone who plays a short stack really cares if the big stacks hate what they are doing. It is about making money, period. I posted a hand that is a typical interaction between a small stack and a large stack on the Party NL $2000. No one has commented on it. Playing a small stack super tight may be transparent, but it doesn't seem to affect how people play against you. They still give action with the worst hand. These kinds of hands happen all the time, and the big stacks still criticize the small stacks, despite the fact that they get consistently get their money in with the worst of it.