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the \"any Ace\" theory
i've noticed more and more players playing Ax (specifically 6-9)and they seem to win more than they lose. any threads out there that talk about the numbers behind playing Ax?
just curious |
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Re: the \"any Ace\" theory
What position, against what hand, etc...
Be more specific please |
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Re: the \"any Ace\" theory
Do yourself a favor...ignore the stories and see for yourself:
PokerRoom.com Look for "Hand EV chart" Look at all the ace-rags and you tell me which ones can make money. -ZEN |
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Re: the \"any Ace\" theory
Whats interesting in how people are breaking even A2s and doing better with A3s and A4s. Who're the A3 A4 people taking money from? The A2 people on a flop of A24? I figured the straight possibility would help offset the slightly lower kicker(which is basically no kicker)
In the same EV range of A2s is K7s and T8s. Hrm... |
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Re: the \"any Ace\" theory
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I figured the straight possibility would help offset the slightly lower kicker(which is basically no kicker) [/ QUOTE ] Just thought I'd pick on you here and say that A2 doesn't have more straight possibilities than A3 and A4 [img]/images/graemlins/tongue.gif[/img] |
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I\'m curious.
When choosing your screenname did you give any consideration to:
A K Q J . . . T * (I REALLY need to get a life). |
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Re: I\'m curious.
i admit, i'm an A ragger. i play almost exclusively in tournies though, so that may skew my opinion a bit.
looking at the pokerroom EV chart....every suited Ace down to A3s shows positive EV, and A2s is break even. in a tournament i open raise with any suited Ace in MP or LP. if i hit an ace i don't really fear being out kicked... it happens very rarely. if i hit my flush draw i semibluff it just like i made a top pair. that strategy is part of my daily pusrsuit of LAG mastery. EDIT: looking at the chart again... the suited Aces show more EV than any of the suited connectors lower than T9s. looks like your better off playing A5s(.08 +EV) than 98s(.00 EV) or 76s(.03 -EV). |
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Re: the \"any Ace\" theory
This isn't much of a theory. The trouble with Ax is that there is a very good chance someone is playing Ax+1 or better. A8o wins only 24% of the time against A9o. If it does win, it's likely with a pair of 8's, which is likely to lose to someone else. If you think someone else is in the hand with an Ace and a higher kicker, it almost never makes sense to play. Not only are you unlikely to win, but if an Ace shows up on the board you can lose a lot of money.
If you knew none of the other players was holding an Ace, A2 would be a nice hand. But you don't. |
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Re: the \"any Ace\" theory
I'm admittingly on the LAGy side, but do play ace rag offsuit in a few situations 6max or shorthanded. With ace-rag I like occasional blindsteal attempts from the button and completing from SB against 1-2 opponents. I will also sometimes limp in an unraised multi-way pot in passive games from the button w/ A9 and A8. A combination of shorthandedness and position or the SB discount can make Ax playable IMO.
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